[Darkwing Duck]

Meant as light hearted as a thread like this can be on a basketball message board.

We should keep a stat line for the season for these two players, just to see who wins statistically. The three stats we really care about are points, rebounds, and personal fouls.

After Game 1:

Araujo: 0 pts, 0 reb, 0 pf
Humphries: 2 pts, 0 reb, 1 pf



To be continued...

[AK-47]

Hoffa didn't play a single minute and was as effective as humphries. lol

[JuniorNoboa]

Originally Posted by AK-47

Hoffa didn't play a single minute and was as effective as humphries. lol

I supposed you watched the Raps game diligently to make that assessment,.

[Chan]

Right now, Humphries blows Araujo out of the water. Hoffa's gonna make that comeback.

[unluckyseventeen]

That is, if Araujo ever gets on the floor.

Hey, if this team can play full games, win, and not require his presence on the floor then that is a huge bonus.

Before-hand this team was so shallow, Humphries playing occasionally would be a benefit.... occasionally. Right now if we had to put Hump on the floor, I would be disgusted.


At least we here can accept that they both suck, and that neither player was/is doing anything before and after the trade. The Jazz have plenty of depth to the point that they don't need to use Araujo... Humphries will get some playing time because Toronto has absolutely no frontcourt depth.

[HKF]

I don't think Humphries suck, he was drafted into a strange situation. Hoffa on the other hand is garbage.

[unluckyseventeen]

It's a matter of opinion. With what I saw of Humphries, he had no idea how to run in our offense, he was an OK defender (by OK I mean not terrible), but he shot a similar % to Araujo... the only benefit I would give Humphries is that he is a slightly better rebounder, but they are the same age and have both sucked on an equal level.

Really, I'd say maybe 50% of Hump's points with the Jazz came on open-floor dunks... and anybody can do that. In reality he shot near 40%, he's 6-11, and has very little basketball IQ. Same can be said about Araujo.

[brotherofthelunatic]

I dont see the point in this, Hoffa is just terrible, did you see his pre season stats. Honestly, probably the worst thing i have ever set my eyes upon. Humphries is pretty bad too, but atleast he is somewhat athletic and does hustle. I dont even know who to compare Hoffa to, he is just so so so bad. Not hating on the jazz, and im not trying to bait, but i dont see how anyone can defend araujo, he is a insult to the game we all love.

[unluckyseventeen]

I haven't defended him. The more DNP's he gets just means we are a better team for not having to play him. I can live with that.

[cv3bandwagon]

Originally Posted by unluckyseventeen

That is, if Araujo ever gets on the floor.
At least we here can accept that they both suck, and that neither player was/is doing anything before and after the trade. The Jazz have plenty of depth to the point that they don't need to use Araujo... Humphries will get some playing time because Toronto has absolutely no frontcourt depth.

Humpries might not have played great last night but played very well in pre-season. He's earned a regular spot in the rotation with his pre-season play and dosen't look like a complete liability on both ends of the floor like Hoffa did......it's still difficult to tell either way. Yes, I also understand that he would have never been even decent for you guys either as he just wasn't a good fit so there's no reason for any raptors fans to brag about "ripping" you guys off yet. However just to get Hoffa off our team alone made this a great one for us.......just too much of an embarassment.

Also no frontcourt depth? Nesterovic, Bosh, Bargnani, and Garbajose to me seems fairly good in that regard.

[unluckyseventeen]

Bosh is good. The others are either unproven, potential players, or they have done nothing remarkable in the league.

Humphries always plays well in preseason and summer leagues because he's not doing what he is supposed to. The coaching staff usually just throws guys out there and expects them to play when the games don't matter, so they can evaluate their values and lack thereof when building a system that they expect the players to abide by.

I've never seen such a classic case of a player looking good when he's not expected to abide by any system, then looking like complete crap during the regular season when looking at Humphries.

I'm just telling you guys to not get too excited about him. If he pans out, congratulations. All I know is that he wasn't doing jack here and I'm just as glad as you are to dump the junk.

[AK-47]

Originally Posted by cv3bandwagon

Humpries might not have played great last night but played very well in pre-season. He's earned a regular spot in the rotation with his pre-season play and dosen't look like a complete liability on both ends of the floor like Hoffa did......it's still difficult to tell either way. Yes, I also understand that he would have never been even decent for you guys either as he just wasn't a good fit so there's no reason for any raptors fans to brag about "ripping" you guys off yet. However just to get Hoffa off our team alone made this a great one for us.......just too much of an embarassment.

Also no frontcourt depth? Nesterovic, Bosh, Bargnani, and Garbajose to me seems fairly good in that regard.

I am very familiar with that line.

I would not put hoffa or humphries on the floor right now with out somewhat depth. So, I don't think of any of it as a loss, and hope humphries can pick it up for the raptors and actually prove he can play out of a preseason/summer league game.

[lucky777s]

It is pretty tough to defend Hoffa as a guy with much potential to improve in the nba.

But I will say that in games that he played 20+ minutes his stats were quite good with the Raptors. And that he was drafted by a team that tried to make him into a completely different player than he was in college (never a good move). Played for a coach that gave him no role on offense at all, after being the focal point of his college team. And his PT was extremely limited even though his replacements were no better and no more successful.

Hoffa is good at denying low post position and holding his ground against big C's. He likes to bang with other bigs and quite often gets under their skin and upsets them. He can usually box out his guy and keep him from getting the rebound. And on offense he has fairly good passing skills.

His team D isn't horrible but he shows for too long on the pick and rolls instead of just running back to his man after making the guard change course to avoid him. His rotations in the lane are premature at times. Our team rotations were so bad it was hard to tell if Hoff was helping or hurting out there.

His biggest problem is lack of reach. He can't haul in rebounds unless he is in perfect position. Smaller players easily outreach him for balls and tip them away. He can't bother anyones shot in the paint. You can complain about his mobility a little but not many big bruising Cs are going to be as mobile as a lean PF. You can't ask him to be both. He moves well for his size.

He needs experience in the worst way, but doesn't have the skills or upside for any coach to justify investing heavy minutes in him if they have alternatives that can produce more right now.

Many of his fouls were pure BS. NBA calls based on reputation as small guards like Iverson would literally throw themselves into Hoffa and get the whistle. Other times he would take viscious hacks at guys under the hoop, which is kind of what you want some times but gives him a bad rep with officials. I also think that when a player does not score or even touch the ball on offense he gets zero respect from refs on defense. You could really see that in games where he got the ball and scored. The refs seemed to let him get away with more defensively because he was now a 'legit' player in their minds and not just a goon.

I had hoped a fresh start in Utah might work out for him but it seems like he will always be an end of bench guy. I think he had potential to be a decent backup.

[endora60]

Originally Posted by Chan

Right now, Humphries blows Araujo out of the water. Hoffa's gonna make that comeback.

Not sure I'd say one bucket and one rebound constitutes blowing somebody out of the water.

[endora60]

Originally Posted by unluckyseventeen

Toronto has absolutely no frontcourt depth.

This just caught my eye. The Raps have no front court depth? I'm looking at their front court--made up of Garbajose, Bosh, Bargnani, and Nesterovic--and I'm seeing depth there. God knows Humphries is no help at all; he is, in fact, the antithesis of useful. With as decent a front court as Toronto has now, they can maybe get away with having a worthless lump like him around.