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04-28-2004, 02:08 PM
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Stockton is overrated
If you look at what he was able to do on the basketball court, his skillset is on par with Steve Nash. Would anyone consider Steve Nash a top 5 PG of all time? The reason he racked up the high amount of assists is because of Malone and Hornaceck and the system they ran.
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Chris Paul this year is not better than any year of J Kidd. Thats just a stupid, ignorant thing to say. I should get Jason Kidd to punch your wife in the face.
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04-28-2004, 02:10 PM
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boy you asked for it......
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04-28-2004, 02:12 PM
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Be prepared for next to no one to agree with you.
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04-28-2004, 02:16 PM
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A lot of BS. Stockton didn't have some great physical abilities. He was not the fastest, quickest, the best ball handler or a great shooter. He was a bit above average in every one of that sections. He maybe wasn't a show time player with no look passes and great dribblings that breack defenders spine, but he had probably the greatest basketball inteligence of all time. He had great court vision with superb anticipation on defensive end. He always saw weaknesses of opponents offense and defense. Unbeliveable player. He would average 10 assists on any team no matter how bad they are.
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04-28-2004, 02:19 PM
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Stockton might be the smartest guy that ever played the game...Nash, not so much.
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04-28-2004, 02:22 PM
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If anything, Nash is overrated. Put any starting PG on a team with a couple of all-stars and their bound to get tons of assists/open looks.
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04-28-2004, 02:22 PM
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He definitely wasn't the most talented player, but he is very far away from being an overrated player.
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04-28-2004, 02:24 PM
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Re: Stockton is overrated
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Originally posted by <b>compsciguy78</b>!
If you look at what he was able to do on the basketball court, his skillset is on par with Steve Nash.
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i take it you've never heard of a little something called "defense".
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04-28-2004, 02:25 PM
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I know, I know....I just had to say it. After watching Malone this year it just dawned on me that he was "the guy" in Utah who almost led them to beat MJ and the Bulls. Malone was the man on that team. Stockton has great basketball intelligence, but so does Steve Nash. The thing about PG's like Steve Nash and John Stockton is that they do their best when they have a sidekick which complements their lack of ability (Nash and Nowitzki, and Stockton and Malone). Don't get me wrong, they are both great PG's, but Stockton's value has dropped in my mind after seeing what Malone is capable of doing. Stockton could have averaged 10 assists a game on most teams, but Damon Stoudamire averaged almost 9 assists a game during his rookie year, what does that have to say. Is he almost as good as Stockton, definitely not.
Stockton was a product of the system more than any other "great" player in history. He was the best PG within the system, but if he stands alone as one of the greats, then he needs to stand alone.
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Chris Paul this year is not better than any year of J Kidd. Thats just a stupid, ignorant thing to say. I should get Jason Kidd to punch your wife in the face.
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04-28-2004, 02:25 PM
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Re: Stockton is overrated
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Originally posted by <b>compsciguy78</b>!
If you look at what he was able to do on the basketball court, his skillset is on par with Steve Nash. Would anyone consider Steve Nash a top 5 PG of all time? The reason he racked up the high amount of assists is because of Malone and Hornaceck and the system they ran.
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He was a damn good player but he is overrated when people start calling him the second best point guard of all time. We all know that Isiah Lord Thomas III holds that distinction.
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04-28-2004, 02:28 PM
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Re: Re: Stockton is overrated
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He was a damn good player but he is overrated when people start calling him the second best point guard of all time. We all know that Isiah Lord Thomas III holds that distinction.
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oscar and magic are both above isiah.
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04-28-2004, 02:31 PM
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Karl Malone's skillset is not really great either... he can shoot the open jumpshot, run the floor, finish at the hoop somewhat, but he has no moves.
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04-28-2004, 02:32 PM
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Re: Re: Stockton is overrated
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Originally posted by <b>Brian</b>!
He was a damn good player but he is overrated when people start calling him the second best point guard of all time. We all know that Isiah Lord Thomas III holds that distinction.
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That's what I mean. Magic is obviously the best. I would put Isiah above Stockton. Now you have PG's like Jason Kidd, Iverson(if you count him as a PG), and Marbury. For Pete's sake, if you go by assists, then Mark Jackson should be top 5 PG of all-time. Mark Jackson is good distributor, but the bar has changed for PG's in my mind. They have to be more than distributors now that you have PG's who can do everything at high level.
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