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jazzy1 · 07-13-2004, 07:31 PM

If we lose Etan should we trade for Chris Wilcox.

The Clips are said to be interested in moving Ely or Wilcox in order to try for Kobe Bryant.

I am in favor of a trade for Wilcox. He's an athletic freak could back Kwame up at the 4 and kwame could be our center back-up. He could then develop and learn without any pressure. I think the kid could maybe be a star one day he's 3-4 years away from that though.

If we lose Etan I think we ought to trade for Wilcox.

Grunfeld said earlier today though that they really want to keep Etan.

To me he could be just as effective in limted minutes. With more upside.

**BCH** · 07-13-2004, 08:05 PM

I was thinking the same thing, but then the inevitable Marlyland Warriors would be almost too much.

Seriously, I think it would be okay, but I still think it may be too much youth. I still think we need a couple more vets. I would like one down low, and one on the wing at the very least.

jazzy1 · 07-13-2004, 08:40 PM

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Originally posted by BCH!
I was thinking the same thing, but then the inevitable Marlyland Warriors would be almost too much.

Seriously, I think it would be okay, but I still think it may be too much youth. I still think we need a couple more vets. I would like one down low, and one on the wing at the very least.

What sorta vets you like out there.

Call me crazy but I like Kukoc. he has the type passing skill I think could blend well.

I'm thinking Sura out front , maybe Keyon Dooling on the cheap as a defender.

Maybe even Damon Jones.

Keon Clarke is a thought but I don't know though. He has "Problems".

Wilcox I think could be an emerging player. He's getting better and better. He's on the cheap and seems to do alot of dirty work things. He won't be Etan like solid most nights but he'll be spectacular more often.

Jaybird · 07-13-2004, 09:34 PM

Wilcox could be a very good emerging player, he has the physical tools to be dominant. However, he's going to want at least a chance to start I would assume after his rookie contract is out. So the additional question would be will Kwame every get moved over to the Center spot, where you could play the two together?

I do think Terence Morris might be a decent bench player to bring in if he doesn't catch on with the Clippers. But that's the Maryland Homer in me shining through.

Shanghai Kid · 07-13-2004, 09:38 PM

Having really thought about it, I think we might need to match Etan's offer if their is nobody else out there for us to sign. We are going to be really bad if we go into next year with Jeffries and Ramos playing big minutes. With Etan, we can at least say that we have a decent bench.

**BCH** · 07-13-2004, 09:41 PM

I could go with Sura, even though his attempt at his 3rd straight triple double last season left a bad taste in my mouth, I will give him the benefit of the doubt, and acknowledge I would rather have him than Dixon.

I am a little leery of Kukoc's injury potential, it seems he always goes down for extended periods of time with injury.

I still would like to take a look at Eric Williams as well, though it looks like the Celts may be making a run at him now.

Popeye Jones from a couple of years ago when he played for the Wizards would be nice. Not the injured, broke down one we have now, but the guy who was a professional doing the little things.

The big man market is dry dry dry right now, so I do not see any realistic big man veteran help without a trade. This may be the reason Ernie is looking at Dampier. At the least he would be a vet. Maybe a trade for Mihm might happen as well? I just don't know.

jazzy1 · 07-13-2004, 09:59 PM

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Originally posted by BCH!
I could go with Sura, even though his attempt at his 3rd straight triple double last season left a bad taste in my mouth, I will give him the benefit of the doubt, and acknowledge I would rather have him than Dixon.

I am a little leery of Kukoc's injury potential, it seems he always goes down for extended periods of time with injury.

I still would like to take a look at Eric Williams as well, though it looks like the Celts may be making a run at him now.

Popeye Jones from a couple of years ago when he played for the Wizards would be nice. Not the injured, broke down one we have now, but the guy who was a professional doing the little things.

The big man market is dry dry dry right now, so I do not see any realistic big man veteran help without a trade. This may be the reason Ernie is looking at Dampier. At the least he would be a vet. Maybe a trade for Mihm might happen as well? I just don't know.

I forgot about Eric Williams I thought that the Celtics had him locked in already. I really like what he could bring.

Yeah that Sura thing was bush league stuff really shows the overall class of a player.

Mihm to me is an interesting option, why he hasn't been more productive is somewhat mystifying for me. He's strong, has real hops and has a nice couple of moves down low. He's a stiff on defense though, no lateral movement to speak of.

He might be fine as a back-up.

Flamesta · 07-13-2004, 10:07 PM

The Wizards, after the trade, should be renamed the Washington terrapins.

Juan Dixon
Steve Blake
Lonny Baxter
Chris Wilcox

We have the former NCAA champions starting line-up.

if we...TRADE FOR BAXTER BACK

The we go after Gary Williams!

**afireinside** · 07-13-2004, 10:25 PM

No. We are the Maryland Warriors. We had 3 Maryland players and have 3 GS Warriors on our team.

Shanghai Kid · 07-13-2004, 10:28 PM

The Radio is saying that the Wizards are leaning towards MATCHING Etan's offer.

With news of the low salary cap, it might be the best move. The deal would be 6 years/38 million, with a starting salary of 4.8 million.

That isn't that bad, we can do that and still have our MLE.

bdiggi12 · 07-14-2004, 07:49 AM

I dont think the Clippers will be trading Wilcox away, since they already pulled a trade with Charlotte sending Melvin Ely away. I think the Wizards should match the Bucks offer to Etan, as long as its under 40M. Hes the only strong and aggresive player the wizards have.

**MJG** · 07-14-2004, 08:17 AM

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Originally posted by Shanghai Kid!
The Radio is saying that the Wizards are leaning towards MATCHING Etan's offer.

With news of the low salary cap, it might be the best move. The deal would be 6 years/38 million, with a starting salary of 4.8 million.

That isn't that bad, we can do that and still have our MLE.

I've been thinking about this, and assuming the team doesn't get tight with the pursestrings after next season, it might look like an okay move. I still don't think Etan is worth more than the $4 million per that we offered him, but assuming we resign Kwame, Blake, Haywood, and Hughes next offseason to long term deals, we're going to be over the cap for a good long while if we keep our nucleus intact anyways.

Using some random starting salaries, let's say Kwame starts at $9 million, Blake at $2.5 million, Hughes at $6 million, and Haywood at $4.5 million a year. If we pick up the options of our young guys and such, we're looking at a payroll of about $52 million. Even if we drop Dixon or Jeffries, or don't resign all of our guys, we're still going to be above the cap (or not under it enough for it to matter). None of this is factoring in Etan and his $5 million starting. However, add him in, and a new problem potentially pops up.

If we hang on to Etan and resign everyone, our payroll is bumped up to the $57 million range. It may only be $5 million more, but that does put us in the potential luxury tax range. Not only would be have to pay a couple million for the taxes, but we lose a large chunk of money from the other taxed teams. Every team over the tax limit has to pay their taxes, and every team under the limit gets their share of that money. It doesn't matter if you're one million over or fifty million over -- you still lose out on that bonus. I don't think that's what our team really wants to do unless we magically become title contenders. This only takes into account the next year as well; assuming the luxury tax continues to work in a way it does after the new CBA is put in place, we could be in this danger for years to come.

I think Etan is lucking out a bit, because he's a FA one summer earlier than the team has to start really making some decisions. Next year, if Etan is a FA, no way he gets that much money from us. Some other teams makes him that offer, and he's gone. I don't want to sound like I want him gone, but at his cost, I just don't know. Like I said in another thread, if I hear one time next summer that we lowballed someone -- anyone -- because we're giving Etan a couple million more than he's worth, I'll flip.

As for the thread, I'm in the "Wilcox will break out as soon as he's given the chance" club, so I'd obviously love to take him. However, with the Clippers making an Ely/House for draft pick deal already, there doesn't seem to be a reason for them to be shopping Wilcox right now.

jazzy1 · 07-14-2004, 11:08 AM

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Originally posted by MJG!

I've been thinking about this, and assuming the team doesn't get tight with the pursestrings after next season, it might look like an okay move. I still don't think Etan is worth more than the $4 million per that we offered him, but assuming we resign Kwame, Blake, Haywood, and Hughes next offseason to long term deals, we're going to be over the cap for a good long while if we keep our nucleus intact anyways.

Using some random starting salaries, let's say Kwame starts at $9 million, Blake at $2.5 million, Hughes at $6 million, and Haywood at $4.5 million a year. If we pick up the options of our young guys and such, we're looking at a payroll of about $52 million. Even if we drop Dixon or Jeffries, or don't resign all of our guys, we're still going to be above the cap (or not under it enough for it to matter). None of this is factoring in Etan and his $5 million starting. However, add him in, and a new problem potentially pops up.

If we hang on to Etan and resign everyone, our payroll is bumped up to the $57 million range. It may only be $5 million more, but that does put us in the potential luxury tax range. Not only would be have to pay a couple million for the taxes, but we lose a large chunk of money from the other taxed teams. Every team over the tax limit has to pay their taxes, and every team under the limit gets their share of that money. It doesn't matter if you're one million over or fifty million over -- you still lose out on that bonus. I don't think that's what our team really wants to do unless we magically become title contenders. This only takes into account the next year as well; assuming the luxury tax continues to work in a way it does after the new CBA is put in place, we could be in this danger for years to come.

I think Etan is lucking out a bit, because he's a FA one summer earlier than the team has to start really making some decisions. Next year, if Etan is a FA, no way he gets that much money from us. Some other teams makes him that offer, and he's gone. I don't want to sound like I want him gone, but at his cost, I just don't know. Like I said in another thread, if I hear one time next summer that we lowballed someone -- anyone -- because we're giving Etan a couple million more than he's worth, I'll flip.

As for the thread, I'm in the "Wilcox will break out as soon as he's given the chance" club, so I'd obviously love to take him. However, with the Clippers making an Ely/House for draft pick deal already, there doesn't seem to be a reason for them to be shopping Wilcox right now.

This is a big year for the whole team because of how our salary structure is if we don't make the playoffs I'm betting big changes are made.

I think its likely we don't resign Hughes. In fact it would not surprise me if we trad

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