NorthEast Wiz

Who would you trade Gilbert for? Not for one season but for the next 5 years since the Wiz are not looking short term. Gilbert is 23 yrs. old:

Steve Nash (31) - Too old
Steve Francis (almost 28, Feb) - Too Finicky
Byron Davis - Too injury prone
Kirk Hinrich (24) - Good, but not good enough
Dwayne Wade (23) - Yep, I would do it. Love Wade
Jason Terry (27)- Nope
Jason Kidd (31) - Again, too old
Stephon Marbury (almost 28, Feb)- Thinks he is too good
Allen Iverson (29)- Love AI but Nope
Andre Miller (28)- I would have said yes 2 yrs ago not now
Tony Parker (22)- Nope although younger
Mike Bibby (26) - Tough one for me but probably not
Chauncy Billups (28) - Nope

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DwyaneWade4MVP

I wouldn't trade Arenas for noone, because he just fits to the Wizards. He knows how to play with Hughes and Jamison and is just the perfect man for Washington!

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Shanghai Kid

I would trade him for NOBODY. Their isn't a better 23 year old PG in the league right now.

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Only Wage in my opinion. Gilbert has big problems with Wade also. Gilbert is a better shooter but that is about it.

This sounds like I'm bashing Gilbert, I'm not, but I love Wade's game.

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Shanghai Kid

No I agree with what your saying but I think Wade's future is at the 2 guard and Arenas's future is as a PG. We're already comfortable here with Arenas/Hughes in the backcourt and those guys both know how to run the system nicely so I think it would be a setback to change that. I don't think Wade is better enough to mess with the chemistry Arenas/Hughes/Jamison have.

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jazzy1

I actually think Gilbert's better than Wade as a player. And I too love Wade's game. Wade sturggles with Gilbert also.

Gilbert has the deep 3 and more consistent mid range game and that too me is the difference. Wade is better at getting to the rim and he's more of a distributor BECAUSE he has another big scorer to carry the load. If he didn't have Shaq his assist numbers would be lower.

Gilbert is the Wizards big scorer .

Wade plays the game with more poise doesn't force things as much but alot of that is playing with Shaq. He doesn't need to force things as Gil does at times.

Shanghai Kid

Yeah I think as they get older that jumpshot becomes more valuable. Wade won't be able to just be a straight slasher for his whole career or he could easily break down like most slashers do. I think Arenas has definetly been playing as good as Wade since after the first 10 games of the season. Gilbert started out slow but he's gotten better every single month while Wade's numbers have pretty much been the same (although still great).

I disagree that Wade is better at getting to the rim. I think Wade is a better finisher, but I don't think anybody in the league is quicker from the 3-point line to the hoop than Gil. If Arenas didn't have a jumpshot at all he would be driving all day and getting to the FT line as much as anyone in the league. But he does have the jumper, and that makes him a bigger threat to opposing defenses.

The edge that Wade has on Gil is defense. Wade is just a better defender. Arenas has the wingspan and quickness to be a good defender, but he gets sucked in way too easily and follows the ball.

The whole distrubing thing, Wade averages more assists but he's also a huge turnover machine. When it comes to assists, theirs a big difference between having Jamison in the paint and Shaq. And theirs a big difference in having Damon Jones and Eddie Jones on the perimeter and having Larry Hughes and Jarvis Hayes on the perimeter. Miami has a dominant big men and dead eye shooters, a guy like Marbury would average 10+ assists on the Heat.

Overall, it's a tossup to me. I prefer Arenas just because of the jumper and because I do see his future at the PG posistion. Wade is bigger seems to be a sloppy ball handler, I think he'll be better at SG. If we needed an SG I would take Wade over Arenas.

I think they'll have a good rivarly though for the next decade.

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jazzy1

I agree mostly but I do think Wade gets to the rim better, he's faster and a slightly more explosve leaper. The difference is only minimal though.

Both turnover the ball but thats out of trying to make things happen.

The jumpshot thing to me is very big though. Having 3pt range and a solid mid range game means alot. I think in these upcoming playoffs defenses are gonna pack it in on Wade.

Arenas meanwhile can never be contained doing that.

I've watched Wade alot and while he's better than Arenas is but he's just an average defender. He gets roasted regularly, I've watched Tinsley, Gilbert, Francis and others smoke him on the regular to the point that they bring in Dooling to handle those duties.

Arenas just has terrible instincts and doesn't even give good effort at all defensively. He never gets down into a defensive stance. he just sorta half bends at the waist and follows guys around. I think he's never played for a defensive coach that preached defensive principles.

BCH

My first thought was only Wade, but the more I consider it, the more I think I would take my chances with Gil. The difference maker to me is the shot. Gilbert's stroke is effortless, while Wade struggles.

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Shanghai Kid

Wade's turnover numbers are crazy though. It seems like he has 7 turnovers every other game.

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Wade over Arenas easily

MiamiHeat03

lol this is too funny, a while back you said Wade is only a 16ppg player without Shaq but i understand you are a big Homer and big Shaq hater.
I guess the BPG is also caused by Shaq and Wade plays better defense.
anyways Gilbert has been the slightly better player so far but i'll wait until the season is over to know for sure.

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yes of course Shaq makes everyone better, same way he made Kobe better.

this debate could go on for the rest of their careers and this very similar to the Tmac vs. Kobe debate.

Wade has had the better success in his rookie year and now but i know what you are going to say "If Arenas had Shaq he would be better".

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jazzy1

Listen to this double talk.

Wade was a 16ppg player pre Shaq am I lying.

I am not a big Homer, and I don't hate Shaq. You are the worlds biggest homer running down Odom and Butler after praising them to no end last season but thats another story.

Then in this post you flip and say Gil has been better than Wade huh.

I guess I was right when I said Gil was better.