BCH

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sport...ll=orl%2Dmagic

It seems as if Orlando has tried to make a push to get Kwame. They offered 2 number 1's, 1 of which is probably the Wizards' owed number 1, and some cash. The article hints at the possibility of throwing Mike Miller into the mix as well.

It goes on to say that Etan is another candidate for the right price if Brown is unavailable.

I say bollucks to that idea. The Magic are desparate mainly because they realize they are pretty much tied up for next season. I say we get Jahidi on the court as soon as possible to show he can still play somewhat and force the Magic to trade for him.

As for players to trade for, I don't see anyone the Magic are going to give up to get Jahidi that we would want. The guys on the Magic not named Hill, who I really wouldn't want, or McGrady I would want are Mike Miller and Daryl Armstrong, for cap purposes.

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schotzors

i dont believe that such a trade goes through. collins said several times that he would trade kwame only for a young established star like elton brand. (by the way, i wouldnt mind trading for brand, but the clipps aint gonna do that)

the trade rumours with orlando i dont like at all.

MikeDC

LOL at that idea.

I guess the Ben Wallace trade gave the Magic the idea they could do anything to us, but truth is, they took a conditional draft pick and Laron Profit for Brendan Haywood, who, right now, would be a godsend for them.

The only way I'd even consider trading Brown to them were if we were somehow to get TMac back.

Who else could we conceivably want from them? Their draft picks won't be very good ones, Mike Miller's a nice player, but not a franchise player or anywhere close. Grant Hill's over the hill.

They want a deal? How about this?

Jerry Stackhouse
Kwame Brown
Brian Cardinal

for

Tracy McGrady

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local_sportsfan

The only way I trade Kwame to Orlando is if McGrady is involved in the deal.

If we could get Miller for a combination of ETan/L8/Jahidi/ a pick, I would jump all over that.

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jazzy1

This is silly. Funny how now everyone is interested in Kwame. Like stated above unless TMac's coming to town no way in hell. People are starting to see that Kwame's going to be a star and want in why he still has developing to do. Teams know that when he reach's his prime that the asking price will then be too steep. Why would we trade our young bigs to a divisonal rival for Picks or possibly Miller. I like Miller for Jahidi ,but anything else is a dumb idea. They are allittle mad at themselves for letting us fleece them for Brendan Haywoood. I like BCH's idea of what to do with Jahidi.

Mike Miller type players can be had in any draft, fine player but nothing you'd want to give up a quality big for.

BCH

I would trade

Scenario #1
Jahidi White
Etan Thomas or Bryon Russell

for

Mike Miller
Andrew DeClerq

or

Scenario #2
Etan Thomas
Bryon Russell

for

Mike Miller

I prefer Scenario 1, with Etan instead of Russell, because it clears the Jahidi White cap space. That could be huge this summer because the extra $5.3M in cap space. If Stack walks we have a significant amount to go after a top tier, or we can split it and give a very nice deal to two top level talents. If Jahidi's cap hit is cleared, Stack walks, we don't pick up Russell's option, and the cap grows 4%, I figure our cap space at about $20M. The max for Stack is 30% of the cap, at 4% growth to the cap that is about $12.6M still leaving about $7.5M. I would resign Stack for about $10M a year and use the remain $10M to go after someone like Odom. The roster could be filled out with some good vets and our draft pick (unless it is headed to Orlando for Haywood).

2003-2004 team would be:

Larry Hughes/Juan Dixon
Jerry Stackhouse/JC Navarro?
Lamar Odom/Mike Miller
Kwame Brown/Jared Jeffries
Brendan Haywood/Christian Laettner
Draft Pick

I officially entered pipedream territory a long time ago, but I think everyone can see how important it is to get rid of Jahidi.

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BCH

Let me add this to the fire.

http://www.sportingnews.com/voices/s.../20030112.html

Deveney is saying that signs point to the Clips not signing any of their talented FAs. That leaves the door open to pick up Odom and keep Stack. If we can just move Jahidi for an expiring contract. Even if we can't get stack with about $20M we should be able to snag two of the three, Brand, Odom, or Miller. Though I think Miller's value has dropped somewhat with Stack out of the picture, Hughes moves to SG. Cap room is really going to be key. Please get Jahidi on the court as soon as possible and move him, even if all we get is cap space.

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MikeDC

A couple random thoughts:

Aside from just being totally crazy, would it be a bad basketball move for the Magic to trade McGrady for Stack and Brown? As it stands, they aren't going to get Brown or anyone of his ability. That means they're basically "stuck" with Hill, TMac, and Miller as the core of their team. As Deveany says in that article, they're good, not great (mostly due to Hill and their complete lack of inside help). If they're really set on become a "great" team, in the best tradition of their own past and Jerry Krause, they should gamble it all and trade TMac.

I'd be willing to bet that TMac could fetch JWill and Curry from the Bulls or Kwame and Stack from us.

I simply ask, which team has the chance to go to the finals in a couple years?

1. Curry, Kemp, Hill, Miller, JWill
2. Kemp, Brown, Miller, Stack, Hill
3. Stephen Hunter, Kemp, Miller, TMac, Hill

If the Magic really want to swing for the fences, they'd be better off trading TMac.


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Yup, we need to dump Jahidi on someone who thinks size is important.

I've been looking around and have found a couple deals that might make sense. They really all depend on Jahidi not being a complete slob when he finally steps on the court.

* The Magic, despite saying they're not interested, might be interested if Jahidi comes back looking healthy.

* Portland's always looking for big guys, and they've got enough ending contracts (Antonio Daniels, Chris Dudley, and Charles Smith) to send back for White.

* The Clips... you know they aren't gonna re-sign any of their guys, so maybe they'll trade them?

* Seattle has been looking for help up front, and they've got Kenny Anderson, who's contract is ending and he makes a fortune. He might be the best possible target, but we'd probably also have to give up more to get him and his cap relief. I honestly doubt we would be willing to give up enough to get him, because that cap relief has to be valuable to Seattle too. About the most I could see is that we give up both Etan and Lue to get him. That gives the Sonics two relatively young big bodies, and a backup PG to replace Anderson in the lineup in Lue (who's contract is also up).

Jahidi, Etan, Lue, Cardinal For Kenny Anderson, Peja Drobnjak

Anderson could actually be a decent help for us, and I could see us getting Drobnjak back simply because he seems to have fallen out of favor in Seattle and if they're adding two more frontcourt players he'll be buried further on the bench.

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BCH

I don't think Drobnjak would want to play for Washington. That would be the reason we dealt him in the first place, but after moving Thomas and Jahidi it would make sense to try and get some size back. Still....

I would be more than happy to do:

Jahidi White
Etan Thomas
Tyronn Lue

for

Kenny Anderson

I am not quite sure why Portland would make the deal. They actually have a lot of size in Davis, Sabonis, and Randolph but like I said, I would do some cap clearing if possible.

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MikeDC

Sam Smith's saying Tyrone Hill is on the block.

The comedy prospects of Him and Oak on the same team require no comment at all.

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I'd do the Seattle deal in a heartbeat. Smith's all on about Gary Payton too. Would we have a shot at the finals with Payton, Stack, and MJ?

I've always thought he was a jerk, and he's getting up there in age, but with his contact expiring we could cash him out for a young guy (or two) in the off-season with the $12M in cap room he'd clear. Despite my dislike for him, he's a damn good ball player and the cap room would be intriguing

Question is, what would it take to get him? I think I'd be willing to throw Jeffries into a trade for him as well, but I don't think that'd be enough to swing a deal. Add our pick and maybe. Jahidi, Etan, Jeffries, Lue, and our #1 ---> Payton and Drobnjak?

Nope, it'll never happen

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Don't know why Portland would do that deal, but they always seem to be making trades just for the hell of it. I was thinking White would be a good fit because Davis and Sabonis are both about a zillion years old. Of course, with all of White's injuries, he might as well be.

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BCH,

If my memory serves me right, Anderson plays for the Sonics, not the Blazers.

But with the luxury tax looming, I don't see why the Sonics would make that move either.

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jazzy1

Listen everybody BCH and Mike we are real close no need for major tampering with the roster. I think we can get Odom but he was on ESPN the other night and he said Riley in Miami is very interested. I think the whole key would be to get Odom and keep Stack case closed after that. Next year bring in JC Navarro and its a wrap. We have to keep Etan he's valuable to us especially when we let Oak and Laet walk in a couple years. JJ isn't going to be ready to be a fulltime big man he'll have to play pt forward so if we got Odom he could learn. Etan then becomes the back up to Kwame and Brendan.

My wish list of players for the Wizards regardless of salary implications.

1. Odom
2. Q Richardson
3. Mike Miller
4. Maggette


Any of these guys fit our pressing needs. I don't want Hughes becoming our shooting guard. I'd rather have us keep Stack. Odom when MJ bows out becomes our playmaker.

I say MJ plays again next year especially if this year concludes with a deep playoff run. I know he's said he won't but I suspect those comments were made as frustrations were high during the losing streak and him having a lesser role coming off the bench at the time. NOW we're winning he's playing well all signs point toward the playoffs. IF he stays healthy I'd bet he plays next year . I think he's quieting these tributes around the league because he may want to play again next year. Just a gut feeling . Why wouldn't he play if he's healthy can play well and the team is close to really doing something next year. Mark my words.

BCH

Etan's value right now is helping us move Jahidi's contract. I think he is okay but he can be replaced.

I don't think any of the deals I proposed would be a major shakeup. Jahidi is certainly not a contributer at this point, Etan is the last PF in the rotation, and Brown has shown he can play center. If Brand comes to DC and we still have Brown, Brand and Brown would make a nice low post combo with Haywood coming in off the bench.

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jazzy1

I admit I do like the sound of that ,with Brown and Brand playing the 4 and 5 spot.

Jaybird

In my ideal world I'd love to get Odom, Maggette and Wilcox from the Clippers in trade before the offseason. I just can't figure out a way to do it without giving up Kwame. If it could be accomplished without losing Kwame, I think it would absolutely complete our team.

The future lineup becomming

Hughes 6'5"
Maggette 6'6"
Odom 6'10"
Wilcox 6'10"
Brown 6'11"

Unfortunately I can't even imagine a way we'd be able to pull off such a looting of the Clippers. Stack, Haywood, Jared would work with a throw in player, but I can't come up with a reason why the Clippers would do it.

We just don't have the players to pull of any trade without including Kwame, and frankly I don't think he should be traded at all. On a side note, I'd like to call for starting Kwame at Center. Honestly I think he's capable of doing everything Haywood does and more.