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Originally posted by <b>johnston797</b>!
Comparing Davis, Artest and Bender to Hughes is not exactly fair in the sense that the former were never on the open market and unrestricted like Hughes.
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Here we go again Johnny......
Anybody could have offered Ricky anything - the Wiz could have bid Artest /Bender money but they didn't
I will also say that Cleveland's offense has been shared with Miles trying to distribute with Davis and Wagner - whilst using a traditional push guard in Smush
So Ricky and Stack on the perimeter with Lue and Dixon handling the 1 spot could have worked better for the Wiz IMO and they probably could have saved themselves the BRuss signing and just played Jordan as perimeter reserve
I will also point out that Artest and Bender are indeed fair
No one was holding a gun to their head to sign those contracts. They were offered and they were accepted
I think the Pacers overpaid for Bender as well - but again there is a component of fear in that offering - that someone else will get him and cash in on his upside. And in the case of Bender it is more traumatic for an organsiation when such player is your draft pick that you traded away one of your toughest inside players for who could still be helping your team ( AD ) No one wants to screw the pooch in losing their own high lottery pick that you traded a tough guy for .... so the fear dynamic is enhanced to put it suitably over MLE to reduce his market - except as I say, he didn't have to sign it ( although he would have been a fool not too as he has not done anything to really warrant it )
Artest is a different story - I think he marginally undersold himself in that he is a key reason why the Pacers are where they are at and with what he is producing , combined with the fact , he has been a difference maker ( and possibly 2nd in line for team MVP honors ) then his cost is pretty cheap
Bender, Davis and Artest are good examples as they are perimeter swing players as Lozza is
Chauncey is a good example as well and is probably worth the MLE ... but not quite ( late $3M's IMO ) Chauncey has won games off his own bat this season eben though his line is similar to Lozza's . I don't know whether Lozza has taken games by the scruff of the neck and has been the singular dynamic as to whether the Wiz have won some games or not. I suspect not even though he has had some nice contributions here and there.
Theivin George is a good example and he makes Loz look like a bargain .... but that is one example
Jeff McInnis , Greg Buckner etc ... they all rationalise Lozza's cost in what he could have been bought for at the time there was the opportunity to buy him cheaper.
Does he have upside? Can he get better? Maybe.
Why not structure his contract starting at $3M with performance bonuses and let him grow into Artest/Bender/Davis money with 12% increases + such performance bonuses??
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's set that aside and assume that FJ is correct that the Pacers have gotten great value for Bender and Artest with deals above the MLE. Therefore, the Pacers *must* understand the market.
The Pacers also gave Jeff Foster a long term deal at $3.8M/year. Now Hughes' value has to fall between $3.8M (Foster) and $5.4M (~Bender/Artest deals). So looks like Wiz paid *just* the right amount.
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Foster is a F/C and big always gets paid better than small - you know that . You cannot take a bigman's contract and realistically equate to reasonableness of a dime a dozen wing player's contract.
Its like somoone getting a great deal on a primemover to justify what they have just spent on a 4WD
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