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grizzoistight · 07-18-2002, 09:30 PM

Help me out..
PG LArry Hughes - Juan Dixon - Tyron Lue ( Whitney will be released even though hes better than lue)
SG Rip hamilton - rod grizzard - Hubert davis
sf Jefferies - jordan - bobby simmons
Pf Kwame brown ( he will be good next year!!! 13 points a game -Popeye Jones
C Haywood - Etan Thomas

erickboy22 · 07-18-2002, 09:48 PM

I assume that u are saying that Lattener and White would be traded

PG - Hughes, Whit, Lue, Dixon
SG - Hamilton, Jordan (Hughes) (Dixon)
SF - Jefferies, Simmons, Grizzard (Jordan)
PF - Popeye, Brown, Lattener (Thomas)
C - White, Haywood, Thomas

( ) players are interchangeable and can play other positions

I think Whitney will not be on the team but i don't think he'll be released ... i think the Wiz are going to try to trade him for a draft pick

cmd34 · 07-19-2002, 02:14 AM

I'll go with:

PG: Chris Whitney
SG: Rip Hamilton
C : Jahidi White
PF: Christian Laettner
SF: Michael Jordan
6th:Larry Hughes

But check out how different it will be if Jordan gets hurt again or says he is done:

PG: Juan Dixon
SG: Richard Hamilton
C : Brendan Haywood
PF: Kwame Brown
SF: Larry Hughes
6th:Jared Jefferies

MikeDC · 07-19-2002, 10:38 AM

I think it's really too early to tell. My preference would be to go with the kids as much as possible. Also, whenever matchups permit, I think I'd like to give Etan time at center.

Something like:

PG- Hughes 32 / MJ 8 / Dixon or Lue 8
SG- Rip 36 / MJ 12
SF- Jeffries 28 / Nesby 12 / Grizzard or Simmons 8
PF- Brown 28 / Thomas 10 / Laettner 10
C- Thomas 12 / White 18 / Haywood 18

I'm not totally comfortable with the SF situation, but unless we can translate Whitney, Lue, Laettner, and/or Davis into something better than Nesby we might as well just sign the latter to steady the boat and then hope that Jeffries and Simmons prove capable.

cmd34 · 07-19-2002, 10:55 AM

Shouldn't Jordan be getting some minutes at small forward?

**BCH** · 07-19-2002, 12:17 PM

Here is my shot.

PG: Hughes/Whitney or Lue/Dixon
SG: Hamilton/Jordan/Hughes/Dixon
SF: Jeffries/Simmons/Jordan
PF: Laettner/Brown/Thomas
C: White/Haywood/Thomas

That is a roster of 12 guys. I am assuming Whitney or Lue get traded. I am assuming Popeye Jones is not re-signed. I believe Hubert Davis may be traded as well. The Inactive List will consist of Grizzard, Davis, and Lue if there are no trades.

White is a situational starter. In some instances you will see White not play at all and Laettner will start at center, and possibly Thomas, with kwame starting at PF.

It is difficult to see Laettner getting left out of the rotation. The guy still can play, and he is smart. He got off to a rough start last year, but when he played well, the team played well. Unless he gets dealt, he will probably play, maybe to try and move him around the trade deadline.

MikeDC · 07-19-2002, 12:26 PM

He might, but I'd really rather he not. At least, no more than a token 4-6 minutes at the start of the game.

Reasons:

1. I wonder if "bulking up" as he did last year was part of the reason his knees went south. It's amazing just how small differences like that can throw one's body out of whack.

2. The more he plays at SF, the more he's got to bang against guys that, at this point, are bigger, stronger, and faster. That's more wear and tear on him.

But, realistically, you're probably right, he'll play some there. How about this:

PG- Hughes 32 / MJ 8 / Dixon or Lue 8
SG- Rip 36 / MJ 12
SF- MJ 6 / Jeffries 24 / Nesby 10 / Grizzard or Simmons 8
PF- Brown 28 / Thomas 10 / Laettner 10
C- Thomas 12 / White 18 / Haywood 18

At that point, though, we've got 12 guys as part of the regular rotation. That seems a bit much to me. Maybe Nesby takes away Grizzard/Simmon's minutes (probably, those guys would swap time on the IR unless someone establishes himself).

I agree with BCH that Laettner is hard to get rid of... he's too good to not play, but he's too old to be in the long term plans. I'd prefer to trade him instead of White though, because White's young and can do certain things very well.

The question is, can we get anyone who's a better fit than Nesby by trading Laettner (maybe packaged with Davis, Lue, and/or Whitney)?

cmd34 · 07-19-2002, 02:30 PM

i really think the wiz could contend in the east(hell..me and four mark madsens could contend in the east) if they make a deal for a better point guard or a rebounding power forward. i think there are teams out there trying to dump salary so they could do it without giving up kwame or rip. if they are going to play for the futute then the best thing jordan could do is auction himself off to a contender who would give up a prospect and a pick. hypothetical trades...to the rockets for eddie griffin and a future #1, to the kings (god forbid)for turkoglu and a #1, to the pacers for jonatahan bender and a #1. he just decides what his true objective is...???

**BCH** · 07-19-2002, 02:46 PM

Unless that better PG is a young almost all-star type of guy then expect the Wizards not to do anything that increases their cap room.

ALso, you can shelve the MJ trading himself talk. I can't think of a reason why it would ever happen.

cmd34 · 07-19-2002, 07:00 PM

if his true goal was to improve the wizz it would be a legitimate option. i am not saying it will happen but do you think "the valuable learning experience" rip hamilton and kwame brown are getting from him playing with them for 2 seasons would outweigh how a prospect and extra draft pick would improve them(in the longrun). Jordan would get 1 last run in the playoffs and retire and reclaim his Wizards ownership just as he plans to do anyway.

MikeDC · 07-19-2002, 07:27 PM

With Hughes on board, is it feasible to consider a trade that would involve Rip?

I'd trade damn near anyone to get Baron Davis

cmd34 · 07-19-2002, 07:29 PM

for the right guy...yes.

MikeDC · 07-19-2002, 07:34 PM

In my mind, Baron would be the right guy. He's the kind of leader I think we need.

Right now, it really seems like, short of MJ, we don't have much identity. Although Rip is a good player, and Kwame has the potential to be a very good player, I don't know that either of them has the kind of leadership and star power that I see in Baron

ThatGuy · 07-20-2002, 06:26 PM

Errr.. you guys are weird. We just traded Alexander to the Hornets, chiefly because he and Rip were getting in each other's way. Now, you expect to send Hamilton to the Hornets as part of a package to get Baron Davis? Makes a lot of sense..... not.

And if a trade goes down, it will be to get a starting small forward, and hopefully get rid of some dead weight (cap and playerwise). With the emergence of Etan Thomas as a physical presence, I find it quite likely that Jahidi gets moved. At the time of the draft, there were rumors that Jahidi might go to the Magic. We'll see.

If it were up to me, I'd trade Jahidi to the Kings for Turkoglu.

MikeDC · 07-20-2002, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ThatGuy
Errr.. you guys are weird. We just traded Alexander to the Hornets, chiefly because he and Rip were getting in each other's way. Now, you expect to send Hamilton to the Hornets as part of a package to get Baron Davis? Makes a lot of sense..... not.

And if a trade goes down, it will be to get a starting small forward, and hopefully get rid of some dead weight (cap and playerwise). With the emergence of Etan Thomas as a physical presence, I find it quite likely that Jahidi gets moved. At the time of the draft, there were rumors that Jahidi might go to the Magic. We'll see.

If it were up to me, I'd trade Jahidi to the Kings for Turkoglu.

First, I don't need the attitude. Why not keep it a little respectful.

Second, I don't think anyone actually said "hey, let's trade Rip for Baron Davis".

Third, I in particular would be more than willing to trade Rip for Baron Davis. From the Wizards' perspective, its a great trade. Yeah, the hornets wouldn't do it, but that doesn't mean it's any worse for us.

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