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Old 01-16-2007, 02:56 AM   #61 (permalink)
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Old 01-16-2007, 07:04 AM   #62 (permalink)
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Arenas has the best range in the NBA.
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Re: Wow Arenas did it again

I remember watching this guy a lot and telling myself: "If this guy replaced Dwyane Wade on the Heat, what would be lost?"

I'm a Dwyane Wade fan, but I think Gilbert is on the same level as Wade.
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Re: Wow Arenas did it again

What about Vince Carter and Tracy McGrady?

I know for a fact that Vince has hit more Game Winners than Arenas, and Tracy has hit some as well.
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I remember watching this guy a lot and telling myself: "If this guy replaced Dwyane Wade on the Heat, what would be lost?"

I'm a Dwyane Wade fan, but I think Gilbert is on the same level as Wade.
He's a little bit more selfish than Wade, which would be why I take Wade ahead of him. But they're on the same tier.
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What about Vince Carter and Tracy McGrady?

I know for a fact that Vince has hit more Game Winners than Arenas, and Tracy has hit some as well.
Of course they have, combined they have been in the league 17 years. Arenas has been in the league 5 years. That's quite a lot more time to hit some clutch shots, wouldn't you think?

And Arenas and Wade are on the same level. Arenas has the better offensive game, while Wade is the better "passing" guard.
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Of course they have, combined they have been in the league 17 years. Arenas has been in the league 5 years. That's quite a lot more time to hit some clutch shots, wouldn't you think?

And Arenas and Wade are on the same level. Arenas has the better offensive game, while Wade is the better "passing" guard.
I don't remember who said it... some national broadcaster I think... but they said Arenas works more on his offensive game than anybody in the league. I'll believe it. The guy is just awesome offensively, and on nights like this one, unstoppable.
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Re: Wow Arenas did it again

Arenas has really been on a mission this year...out to prove himself after going in the second round, after not being selected to the All-Star Game, after being cut from Team USA...
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Re: Wow Arenas did it again

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I remember watching this guy a lot and telling myself: "If this guy replaced Dwyane Wade on the Heat, what would be lost?"

I'm a Dwyane Wade fan, but I think Gilbert is on the same level as Wade.
Gilbert Arenas >>> Dwyane Wade. Not just because I'm a Mavs fan, either. I give Wade his props when they're due, but Gilbert is just a better player IMO. If Wade starts the ASG and Gil doesn't, which is probably what will happen, it will be a travesty.
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I just don't think he's a coachable player. His game is too alogical. He just does whatever he feels like in the instant. How do you win like that? Not sure. I'd like to hear theories.
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I just don't think he's a coachable player. His game is too alogical. He just does whatever he feels like in the instant. How do you win like that? Not sure. I'd like to hear theories.
It's not illogical. He's just got incredible range. If the three point line was moved back 3 feet, it would look at lot more natural.

Arenas is the best 3 point shooter in the league when you take into account getting your own shot and don't just look strictly at %. That's why he leads the league handily in 3PM with a high % as well. He's also arguably the best finisher in the league. I think hands down he finishes better than any other point guard, but of course guys like Kobe have more length and can do more acrobatic things...still I think Arenas is the best finisher. Then you look at Arenas' mid-range game and he is definitely in the top tier there. That's one thing he has really improved on the last 2 seasons. He's not Rip from mid-range, but he's way up there. So you take all this into account that Arenas can score from anywhere inside 30 feet and he's the best offensive player IMO.
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Gilbert Arenas >>> Dwyane Wade. Not just because I'm a Mavs fan, either. I give Wade his props when they're due, but Gilbert is just a better player IMO. If Wade starts the ASG and Gil doesn't, which is probably what will happen, it will be a travesty.
You exaggerate.

As far as production is concerned, Wade and Arenas are almost exactly similar scorers. Over the last year and a half (by far the best 2 years of either's career):
Wade: 28.4 pp40, 57.9 TS%
Arenas: 28.5 pp40, 57.9 TS%
They have different styles but are very similarly effective as scorers.

Beyond that, I'd say Wade has moderate advantages as a passer, rebounder, and defender. His PER over the last two years has been a step above Arenas's as well: 27.6 vs. 23.8 last year, and 28.7 vs. 25.7 this year.

So I'll still take Wade. Certainly he doesn't blow Arenas out of the water, but he's better.
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Wade & Arenas are very close. I'm an Arenas fan so I take him, but I think most Heat fans would take D-Wade. It's really not something you can come to a conclusion on.
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