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Old 04-12-2004, 03:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Arenas 25+ Points vs. Other 25+ Points

http://basketballboards.net/forum/sh...threadid=89183

It's a thread about Jamal Crawford, but Dan compares the Bulls and Wizards in this case and I think he has an interesting tidbit about scoring 25+ points in a game (the values in parenthesis are not winning percentages):

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Originally posted by <b>Dan Rosenbaum</b>!
Bulls Record When . . .
Crawford scores 25+: 12-6 (N/A)
Someone else, but not Crawford, scores 25+: 4-5 (0.276)
No one scores 25+: 7-46 (<0.0001)

Wizards Record When . . .
Arenas scores 25+: 8-14 (0.052)
Someone else, but not Arenas, scores 25+: 9-3 (0.622)
No one scores 25+: 8-38 (<0.0001)
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Old 04-12-2004, 04:44 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I don't really think that means anything. Every team is different. If your on a losing team and you score tons of points, but the team is still bad, that just implies that the team is bad and that it's not going to make a difference how many points you score, the team is not good enough to consistently win. Also, the garbage points theory doesn't work since you would have to look at how many of those 25 point plus games were close games and how many were blowouts.

On the Wizards, we usually win when Larry Hughes scores 30 or more points. He's just a player on our team that when he plays good and we still get stuff from Arenas we play good. It doesn't mean we'd ever make Hughes a guy that should take enough shots to get 30 a game. Every team is different. Guys like Arenas/T-Mac/Iverson score alot of points, their sometimes just one man teams and they lose. Crawford doesn't score as much as those guys but when he does, his team wins. The Bulls may just need somebody to score 25 plus points while teams like the Magic and the Wizards already can get that and that's not the reason their losing. I know the Wiz lose games because of turnovers and bad defense. I've seen many games where Arenas is torching the other team and nobody else shows up. Some teams like the Bulls respond with a 25 point game while a team like the Wizards are better off when Arenas gets tons of assists/steals/rebounds instead of points. When Gil gets a tripple double, it's a victory. Every situation for every team is different.

I don't know about T-mac, but I know for a fact that Gilbert does not play in garbage time. If the game is a blowout, than Steve Blake and Juan Dixon come into the game and play.
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