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MikeDC · 04-26-2004, 01:43 PM

What do folks think about this?

Stackhouse has totally worn out his welcome with me. I was playing around and one guy he could be traded for is the Bulls' Jerome "Junk Yard Dog" Williams. JYD is not exactly a skilled player, but he's cheaper than Stackhouse, provides a capable veteran inside presence, and I can see Abe getting all giddy over bringing a local guy who's great in the community to replace a guy who's given every indication of being a goldbricking bum.

**MJG** · 04-26-2004, 01:48 PM

I'd do it. I want Stackhouse out of here, with my two general rules being that the contract we take back can't be longer than his and that the player we get back must be someone who doesn't need shots to be happy. JYD has one more year on his deal, but it's a team option which we obviously wouldn't pick up at that price, so he satisfies the first requirement. Shooting is not his ally, so he also fits the second requirement. He even prefers to come off the bench, which is great. Sounds like a great idea to me.

**Dre™** · 04-26-2004, 03:15 PM

It makes sense. You get a tough, non-cancer causing guy to come in for a guy who's probably just the opposite. Plus you clean up your Backcourt for in the process, allowing Jarvis to get Stackhouse's minutes.

**BCH** · 04-26-2004, 03:36 PM

hell no

MikeDC · 04-26-2004, 03:54 PM

Why the love for Stackhouse, BCH?

I obviously would agree that Stackhouse is a better player than JYD, but how is Stackhouse's situation any different from Jamal Mashburn who's being run out of the Big Easy?

**MJG** · 04-26-2004, 04:41 PM

Without looking at any circumstances surrounding the players involved, this certainly would look like we're getting fleeced here. Even last year, the worst of Stackhouse's career, he still put up something like 14/4/4. However, I think for next season to be as successful as we'd like, we absolutely must dump one of our perimeter gunners for someone who has more interest in defense than shooting. Arenas isn't going anywhere, and Hughes has pretty much every advantage on Stackhouse I can think of (younger, better contract, more willing to not be the first option, tries harder on defense, so on).

For me, it boils down to not looking at the talent of the players involved so much as how it could help our team's chemistry. I think a trade like this one could be a really great example of addition by subtraction.

**BCH** · 04-26-2004, 07:06 PM

Stackhouse has a better contract than Jamal, and even this year, while hurt, he was one of our better players. Hughes maxxed out this season on what he is going to bring to the table, and if anyone thinks that it is more than what Stackhouse brings then thay are crazy.

This is the first major injury Stackhouse has had, and he never had the chance to properly rehab with management forcing him to go out and play. After what happened to Grant Hill, I can side with a player who does not want to be forced back into action.

You win in this league with talent. Stackhouse is talent. JYD is gristle.

MikeDC · 04-26-2004, 08:58 PM

I obviously don't disagree that Stackhouse has way more talent than JYD, but I think something like this is possible. You'll notice I haven't passed any judgement on whether this is a good trade, just whether I think it's plausible.

1) JYD has the Abe Pollin holy trinity of being born local, playing college local, and having the reputation of a hard-working community guy.

2) Whether Stackhouse was justified or not*, what matters is whether management perceives what he did as justified. Despite lip-service, I can't imagine they do (otherwise there wouldn't have been this kind of contraversy in the first place).

* I have a hard time seeing Stackhouse's position as being justified. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see how the Wizards would have ANY interest in forcing him to play completely meaningless games. If they had any indication he could make things worse by playing, I don't see why they'd have taken that kind of chance. I think, therefore, that Stack was either paranoid or just wouldn't play with pain or both.

**BCH** · 04-27-2004, 07:22 AM

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Originally posted by <b>Mikedc</b>!
I obviously don't disagree that Stackhouse has way more talent than JYD, but I think something like this is possible. You'll notice I haven't passed any judgement on whether this is a good trade, just whether I think it's plausible.

1) JYD has the Abe Pollin holy trinity of being born local, playing college local, and having the reputation of a hard-working community guy.

2) Whether Stackhouse was justified or not*, what matters is whether management perceives what he did as justified. Despite lip-service, I can't imagine they do (otherwise there wouldn't have been this kind of contraversy in the first place).

* I have a hard time seeing Stackhouse's position as being justified. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see how the Wizards would have ANY interest in forcing him to play completely meaningless games. If they had any indication he could make things worse by playing, I don't see why they'd have taken that kind of chance. I think, therefore, that Stack was either paranoid or just wouldn't play with pain or both.

Stackhouse was told to rehabilitate his knee and not have surgery by the Wizards staff last year. What it cost him was this year. I love listening to the radio and hearing 980 blast him for not playing when it was clearly said at the end of last season what the Wizards wanted him to do. After that, Stackhouse started seeing his own doctors, and at the end of the day, the Wizards management said that Stack shouldn't play unless he felt ready, and then pretty much forced him to play injured.

The Wizards of old would make the Stack for JYD trade and if Grunfield pulled the trigger on that, then we will truly know that nothing in this regime is any different than the one under Unseld.

Shanghai Kid · 04-27-2004, 01:48 PM

But you have to admit, Stack doesn't really fit in with Arenas/Kwame.

Gilbert/Kwame is the future of the team. Stack still wants to be 20ppg player, which doesn't fit with this team anymore.

jazzy1 · 04-27-2004, 03:24 PM

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Originally posted by <b>BCH</b>!
Stackhouse has a better contract than Jamal, and even this year, while hurt, he was one of our better players. Hughes maxxed out this season on what he is going to bring to the table, and if anyone thinks that it i

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