Knicksbiggestfan

How about Trading

Jerry Stackhouse and a future first rounder and a second round pick this year to the Jazz for Raul Lopez and Matt Harpbring.


It doesn't work via real GM because they say UTAH is over the cap, which of course isn't true.

RP McMurphy

Interesting idea, but the future first-rounder is an awfully steep price. Washington sucks and will continue to suck for some time. They would probably be losing a very good pick here in addition to the pick they already owe to the Magic from the Brendan Haywood trade. I doubt they'd be willing to trade away yet another lottery pick.

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I wouldnt do that in a million years

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BCH

The Wizards do not need Lopez, but might consider something like Stackhouse for Harpring and pick(s).

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jazzy1

I'm more in a hurry to trade Hguhes than Stack. I might be in the minority but I believe Stack will regain his health and healthy he's more unselfish and understand the game much better than Hughes.

If it were Hughes instead of Stack plus say throw in Hayes or JJ then we might have a deal.

I'm not into moving 1st rd picks.

I really do like Harpring though. Him alongside Kwame as the go to big and we'd have the solid scoring and 3pt stroke we've lacked here.

BCH

I would prefer to move Hughes over Stack as well, but I don't see Utah being interested. Adding Jeffries may be enough though.

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afireinside

garbage. stackhouse injured is still better than harpring. lopez? what????

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Shanghai Kid

I would prefer to move Stack because of his contract and bad attitude.

I'd do this trade in a split second.

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jazzy1

I look at it like this Stack when healthy has proven he can be the main guy on a playoff team. All Hughes has ever done is rpoven he can get numbers on really bad teams.

I really don't penalize Stack for his comments and attitudes last season because it was the 1st time he was really hurt in his career. That can do funny things to a players psyche who uses athleticism to play the game well.

I just believe if we move Hughes for defensive minded 2-3, add someone like Deng or Okafor and have the good fortune of health I think we'd be on our way into the playoffs.

I'm expecting Kwame to be our guy next season and for Arenas to being alittle more mature as well the added development of Blake and JJ to making us a solid team. We need to make some changes but not alot.

I tend to be more in Ernie Grundfeld's mentality when he says we're not that far away from being good. EJ thinks differently but I just have more faith in Ernie.

I just believe in Ernie. I think everything he's said to this point has made alot of sense.

Shanghai Kid

I agree with what your generally saying, but Stack's health is a big question mark. He has been injured alot in the last two seasons, and he's going on 30 now.

If you really want to build around Arenas/Kwame, than where does Stack fit in? He's not exactly a defensive minded roleplayer.

I basically think of it as Cleveland trading Ricky Davis so they can build around Lebron/Boozer.

If you keep Hughes, than you get an above average SG for another season, and than BOOM, you can let him walk for capspace if things don't work out. With Stack, your stuck with the contract for another 3 years. I think Hughes is more coachable also. Stack has never shown a willingness to defer and be a roleplayer in his career. Arenas is going to be a 20-22ppg player and hopefuly Kwame can be the 2nd option with 15-17ppg. Even if Stack returns to form, do we really need another 20ppg player?

Also, Arenas is 1rst in the league in turnovers per 48 minutes.

The only way to cut down turnovers is to surround him with guys who don't turn the ball over and guys who will feed the post instead of looking for their own shot.

Stack is 2ND in the league in turnovers per 48 minutes.

We're talking the two highest turnover prone guys in the league playing in the same backcourt taking the majority of the shots.

Here's a quote from Arenas-

"This is when you see character," Arenas recently said, not mentioning any player by name. "Some players don't want to play right now. It's been difficult for everybody. If some people don't want to be here, then I think we should get them out of here. Point blank. You're going to have people that are injured. But if you don't want to be here because you're on a bad team, I don't want you around. I'm not going to go out there and fight for you every day knowing you don't want to play."

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if we exposed Stack in the Expansion draft and he was taken. That would give us like 7 million in capspace.

And here's a blurb from the Washington Post-

The franchise player, the one with the creaky knee, fussed with his tie in a quiet corner of the locker room. Then he tugged on his immaculately tailored suit, straightening the fabric just so.



"Tough season," Jerry Stackhouse said, nodding, "very tough."

None of the twenty-something youngsters paid Stackhouse mind as they filed out of MCI Center on Saturday after their 55th loss -- just as Stackhouse and some of those same youngsters refused to pay mind to Michael Jordan and his bum knee a year ago.

Stackhouse was afforded treatment this season like a player who had carried teams on his back through playoff rounds. It backfired. He lost respect in the locker room when his teammates, unfairly or not, assumed he was babying his injury and that he did not want to see this miserable season through with them.-http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9319-2004Apr13.html

Stack saying things like "coming to the Wizards has caused a regression to my career" is just asking to be traded.

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jazzy1

The things you're missing is the negatives with Hughes ,you just can't keep him around and ask him to play a role either. In GSW before he came here he was benched for essentially being selfish and unwilling to fall back and fit a role because in his mind he was capable of being a team leader from the scoring standpoint.

This past season the Arenas/Hughes combo was amongst the worst in shooting % and to's. They were very selfish and played very poor defense.

Hughes has the jedi mind trick on Arenas if you recall late season articles when they spoke about each other getting the other one going in games like they had great chemistry neither one talking of incorporating anyone else. Because they we'ren't they wouldn't even consistently give Kwame the ball. Hughes brings out the negative characteristics in Arenas this is why Hughes must go.

Hughes won't defer either. This past season he played every game as if he was the teams best player his selfishness was appaling there'd be guys running free he wouldn't pass to.

As for Arenas he's hardly one to question anyone's character when he comes late to games and plays as selfishly as he did this past season. In games that Stack played he was always feeding kwame the ball Hughes very rarely if ever did.

Why does this happen I really believe he doesn't accept Kwame in a more dominanat role because he's seen Kwame very public struggles and isn't easily to fall in line behind him. Stack may feel that way also I agree with you but he understands the game alot more than hughes does.

I totally agree with your injury concerns and because of this could be perusaded to your line of thinking, but Stack's still only 29 and he could come back healthy I haven't heard where thats not expected but as we all know it could happen.

I agree with your assesment that we need guys who feed the post but thats a structural plan that the coach can control.

Like I said before Stack was injured for the 1st time and very disheartened so his comments I really don't hold against him. Remember Hughes quit on us MJ's last season here.

I remember Dampier saying at the end of last season when talking about Arenas saying how if Arenas was into the game he was very unslefish if not he could be unbearable with the selfish play. I think without Hughes's influence on him (Hughes was like a mentor in GSW) his 1st couple of years that Arenas could be molded by a coach but Hughes wont easily go back to the bench without pouting.


From an effectiveness point of view if the Wizards are ever gonna be any good this is how we're gonna have to operate.

1. Kwame is the 1st option. Teams with bigs as the 1st option win in the NBA because they're more enegized defenders,rebounders and because of the proximity of their shot selection are always gonna shoot higher %. Kwame shot about 50% this past season.

2. Arenas as the 2nd option He's gonna have to get others involved as well as fill the gaps when the balls not going into Kwame which should be the majority of the time.

3. Everyone else has to be role players.

I could be persuaded to dump both guys and Make Hayes our starting 2 if we get some vets to fill in around Kwame and Arenas.

We need role playing unselfish Vets who play defense on the perimeter.

Shanghai Kid

I agree. Hughes does have his negatives. Stack has just as many negatives. Since both of them in the longrun are negatives, I just look at the contract situation and that's where I pick Hughes over Stack. Also, Stack turns the ball over way more than Hughes and Hughes is a better defender.

Hughes has had 6 coaches in 6 years. He's never been in a situation long enough to get comfortable with the other players and the coaches. LH is really one of those players that needs to be put in a disciplined system. The coach has to give him a role. This year nobody on the Wiz had a role. The coach just let the players do whatever they want.

I think you saw more of a shoot first Hughes this year because of the fact that for certain portions of the season Hughes was the only offensive threat on the floor and had to try to carry the scoring load. If Arenas never got injured and Kwame started out the year strong I have no doubts that Hughes would of deferred to both of them.

Hughes "qutting on us" last year is just made up BS from Tom Knotts. He's still young enough to mature, and he gets along great with our coach. Kwame started playing the best ball of his career with Hughes in the line-up, and his numbers slowly went down after Hughes got injured.

When we got Arenas and Stack back, the team was good. Then Hughes got injured, and the team was terrible again. I think Hughes has much more of a positive impact than a negative impact on the floor.

The biggest thing is, that Hughes is a FA after this year so if it doesn't work you can either get a sweet deal for him before the deadline or you can just let him walk and use the capspace.

I wouldn't mind getting rid of both Hughes and Stack though. But I'm willing to give Hughes another shot since he is young and he is coachable.

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jazzy1

I agree with most of what you've said . Good stuff My thoughts almost exactly except that Stack if healthy which is a big if is the far better player. He's a natural scorer who gets you 5 assists a game . He makes to's granted but the difference between the 2 in terms of tp's is very slight.

Kwame played well when it was just he and Hughes together but even then Hughes didn't allow Kwame to help him as much as he should he should have fell back.

I agree the coach needs to pull the reins very tight on Hughes because I think he has wonderful talents if directed the right way could be special. He's a complete player who does nothing great but some things well. Solid defender wouldn't call him good. Has good body control and is a good athlete.

I'm with you ideally dumping both make sense to me. If we could get a couple of lesser profile defensive minded vets in return.

The problem with the Wizards is their an oddly built team ,we don't have any glaring need postions although a defensive minded perimeter player could help. We have players at each postion ,we have size and plenty of scoring. We have post offense and solid post defense. We could be tougher. But we're just so unorganized.

Stack's salary is very problematic and I agree keeping Hughes another season to dump him makes sense because with he and Laet coming off the books we'd have cap room but Kwame's coming up and so a decision has to be made.

Shanghai Kid

I think we're so far away from being a good defensive team though. Hughes is our only above average defender on the perimeter. Small Forwards especially always have career nights against us.

On the other hand, we could easily have one of the best offense's in the league as soon as next year. The stats say that the Wizards play at the second fastest pace in the league, behind only the Dallas Mavericks. The problem is that we lead the league in turnovers so we have a very inefficient offense.

Arenas/Hughes/Stack, healthy, is the most offensively charged perimeter trio in the NBA.

Kwame is one of the better post players in the East.

Sometimes you get the feeling we should just become an offensive powerhouse. Our team is built in that we have nothing but scorers on the perimeter. By the middle of the season even Steve Blake was coming off the bench launching 3's.

Regardless, I think Stack or Hughes will be traded this summer. I just hope we get something decent in return.

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