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twinz2gether · 05-27-2004, 06:03 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004May26.html

This article says that Ernie is high on Josh Childress.

1. do you see him still being on the board come the no. 5 pick?
2. Do you think he would be a good choice?
3. Do you think the only way we would pick him is if we got rid of Stackhouse completely?
4. Would you rather get Deng?

Personally, the more i think about it, the more i like it? This guy is actually a proven college player, not some guy we are going to wait on for 2-3 years, he can make an impact right away. And he is definately a solid SF. Yeah we have Hayes, but he can play 2 or 3, and he might never become a starter. I just can't see us picking someone like Biendrins who is worse than Darko.

But i just want to get rid of stackhouse if we are going to pick childress. We should trade Stackhouse for some good veteran who can actually defend, or some okay center.

Or maybe even trade him for another pick? without packaging our #5 pick, how good a pick do you think we can get for stackhouse?

**MJG** · 05-27-2004, 06:18 PM

Pretty much everything I read indicates him either going to Charlotte at number four, or being taken in the 9-12 range. I haven't seen him projected as a mid-lottery player very often, which says to me that the general feeling is that he's a late lottery guy but a few teams (Charlotte, now us) are seeing something they like in him.

jazzy1 · 05-27-2004, 06:29 PM

I'm gonna stop knocking Childress because he's a very aggressive defender. And that tells me he is very competitve. Usually players who take pride in defense aren't soft. If we got him and if the consensus seems to be that he's rated to that part of the lottery then sure.

Livingston has really come up on my radar. Because if we go project which is where 5 is basically I want a big, great passing pg.

Josh Smith is an option here also.

If we take Childress we need to trade Hughes,Stack,Dixon,Hayes or Jared jeffries.

If we draft Josh Smith we need to move JJ or Hayes. Because Smith is only gonna be a 3 most likely, Childress can play the 2 or 3. I have to say Smith intrigue's me because he can shoot out to 3pt range.

Really scared me to hear Biedrins got outplayed 37 to 2 against Darko ouch.

Shanghai Kid · 05-27-2004, 06:43 PM

The only thing that I worry about a Childress pick is that I have heard TONS of comparisons between him and Jared Jeffries.

Now it is my humble opinion that Jared Jeffries is the worst player in the NBA. So to draft a similar player in Childress, doesn't get me excited.

On the other hand, maybe this kid is better than Jeffries? Maybe he's quicker, and can actually shoot. But is he big enough to actually guard SF's? He's only what, 207? If he's a tweener, than I don't want him. And where would that leave Javis Hayes?

On a different note, it was reported on Comcast Sportsnet that Stack's knee is feeling great, that he has lost 8 pounds already, and that he's getting into the best shape of his life. This guy is going to come back as a 20ppg player next year and I think we need to keep him on the Wizards.

**MJG** · 05-27-2004, 06:58 PM

Is anyone else looking at this pick like I am, that there's a good half dozen or so players we could draft and it wouldn't make a difference to us? Obviously down the line some of these guys will be better than others, but at this point, on draft day we could call out Childress or Biedrins or Gordon or one of the many others and I'll just say "Eh, fine ..."

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Originally posted by Shanghai Kid!
On a different note, it was reported on Comcast Sportsnet that Stack's knee is feeling great, that he has lost 8 pounds already, and that he's getting into the best shape of his life. This guy is going to come back as a 20ppg player next year and I think we need to keep him on the Wizards.

On this, I think what Stackhouse needs to work on is more on the mental side of things more so than the physical. He could come back with the body and health of a Greek god, and it wouldn't matter if he doesn't understand that he is not the dominant force on the team. Arenas is number one, and Kwame needs the ball down low on a consistent basis. He doesn't have to be a role player, but he is not "the man" any longer. If he understands and accepts that, the team as a whole benefits big time.

Despite that opinion, it's still nice to see he's getting healthy. Health could easily be the difference between finishing among the east's worst or the east's playoffs.

havoc · 05-27-2004, 07:16 PM

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Originally posted by MJG!
Is anyone else looking at this pick like I am, that there's a good half dozen or so players we could draft and it wouldn't make a difference to us?

My thoughts exactly, at least not right away. That's why I'd much rather pick a guy like Marty or Pavel or Livingston - where they could be a good player down the road at argueably the hardest position(s) to fill.
To answer the original question,
1) Yes
2) No
3) No
4) Dont know how this is even a choice, 10/10 times Deng.

**CP26** · 05-27-2004, 08:22 PM

I was just watching Comcast SportsNet and they had a few workouts at MCI Center and JR Smith was there, Ernie said he was very pleased with his performance and he is an outstanding athlete.

**afireinside** · 05-27-2004, 08:47 PM

if we get Childress then I will quit liking the Wizards. the Wizards orginization is frickin' crazy out of their mind.

he's Jeffries people!!! look how good Jeffries turned out.

**BCH** · 05-27-2004, 09:20 PM

Jeffries just doesn't have game yet, but he still has time. I will give him more than 1 1/2 seasons to totally bash him, though I thought a lot of the time he played last season was because he was a coach's player rather than because he belonged on the floor. I wish I could explain what I mean by a coach's player, but I have been unable to explain it to non-coaches. Maybe someone else who has coached can explain it.

Saying that, I think Kornheiser sort of nailed it earlier today. After Okafor there is little difference between 2 through 10. And as jazzy1 has said, we could end up with the best player. Last year Wade went 5th. There might not be a Wade in this draft but good things can happen for GMs that do their homework. I trust Ernie to at least do that, and probably more.

jazzy1 · 05-27-2004, 10:25 PM

The thing that has surprised me most about Jared is his total lack of understanding of the game. Something I thought would have been a strength of his.

I also thought Jared was a coaches player. Meaning basically that he's always on time, always stays late, asks questions, listens generally seems anxious to learn. Coaches love those types of players. Coaches trust guys like him. He was given the shot to actually take kwame's job last season but his talent couldn't hold down the postion.

I heard Eddie Jordan say on more than 1 occasion that Kwame needed to communicate more with him. Which led me to believe that Kwame distrusts coaches because of the Doug Collins situation. EJ said towards the end of the season how he and Kwame started to communicate better.

Back to JJ though. I like his dimensions. He's 6'11 a good athlete, good flexibility, and a hard worker. He's a good chemistry guy also. I want to see 2 more years at least of his movie before I throw him overboard.

JJ can't play a lick yet but if he keeps working and more importantly find his niche which I can't figure at this point he'll be alright. He could become an important role player.

Hawks4ever · 05-28-2004, 10:11 AM

Childress is going to be a super-star

**BCH** · 05-28-2004, 10:22 AM

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Originally posted by Hawks4ever!
Childress is going to be a super-star

Quite possible.

Wizards fans aversion to Childress is almost solely based on being disappoint by Jared Jeffries and his 1.25 years playing for the Wizards, while mostly coming back from a torn ACL.

I think the fact that Jeffries is so disappointing speaks a lot about what fans see in him from a possibility/potential standpoint. If Childress has the same promise in his game, then there should be no reason to not draft him.

Basically what I am saying is do not let Jeffries influence whether you want to take Childress.

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