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**King Joseus** · 02-20-2012, 02:03 PM

Standing toe to toe with Big show on back to back weeks before a DQ victory and a no contest. Victory in a triple threat cage match with Henry and Show, DQ victory over Orton. Made Kofi Kingston (as one half of tag champs) tap. Beat Intercontinental Champion Cody Rhodes. Went toe to toe with CM Punk before winning by DQ. Won the Elimination Chamber match.

He's a heel (and he's small), so clean wins over top guys (particularly giants) aren't going to happen. He's been phenomenal at goading opponents into DQs, and hasn't suffered any clean defeats while facing off primarily against Big Show and Mark Henry. They haven't had him make Show or Henry tap to keep them looking strong, but the LeBell Lock has been established as a credible submission threat prior to his winning the title. He's done all that one can do against those two guys without being a huge guy himself. Outsmarting opponents is as good as beating them down if you're not an Orton, destroyer type heel.

chilltown · 02-20-2012, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo

It's an inevitable passing of the torch. Doesn't do anything for WWE if Rock wins.

But does it do anything for WWE if Cena wins? I get the passing of the torch. Its why I think the Rock would lose. It just makes sense from that point because Cena is an every day guy.. but I don't buy that Cena beating Rock does anything for WWE anyways.. does it really build Cena even more above the rest of the less than stellar roster?

As far as Bryan vs Shaemus goes.. the match itself should be fine. But Bryan in the main event is meh overall. He doesn't fit the bill as a heavyweight contender.. and booking has made that look perfectly clear with the way he has been billed since backdooring into the belt.

**Headliner** · 02-20-2012, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by King Joseus

Standing toe to toe with Big show on back to back weeks before a DQ victory and a no contest. Victory in a triple threat cage match with Henry and Show, DQ victory over Orton. Made Kofi Kingston (as one half of tag champs) tap. Beat Intercontinental Champion Cody Rhodes. Went toe to toe with CM Punk before winning by DQ. Won the Elimination Chamber match.

He's a heel (and he's small), so clean wins over top guys (particularly giants) aren't going to happen. He's been phenomenal at goading opponents into DQs, and hasn't suffered any clean defeats while facing off primarily against Big Show and Mark Henry. They haven't had him make Show or Henry tap to keep them looking strong, but the LeBell Lock has been established as a credible submission threat prior to his winning the title. He's done all that one can do against those two guys without being a huge guy himself. Outsmarting opponents is as good as beating them down if you're not an Orton, destroyer type heel.

None of that has made him credible. If anything, most of it proved that he doesn't belong.

He's not a heel that you can believe in. And that's the most important thing. Guys like Triple H, Orton, Edge were believable heels. You could believe that they might actually walk out of Mania as champion.

**King Joseus** · 02-20-2012, 02:18 PM

Bryan's no more out of whack as a contender as CM Punk. It only seems worse than it is because the SmackDown contender field is riddled with giants right now. Sheamus is actually a good match for him - he may be a powerhouse, but he's not overwhelmingly large.

The issue is that they don't want to have him make the big guys tap out. Those guys can be more easily built back up due to their size. Submission victories over some bigger names would work wonders for him. He fits, but WWE is victimizing him with their booking. They have problems with that sometimes.

**thaKEAF** · 02-20-2012, 02:20 PM

WWE doesn't believe in those type of heels anymore. Basically every heel is just food for cena and orton..Henry was the first heel in years I took serious

**King Joseus** · 02-20-2012, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Hdlr

None of that has made him credible. If anything, most of it proved that he doesn't belong.

He's not a heel that you can believe in. And that's the most important thing. Guys like Triple H, Orton, Edge were believable heels. You could believe that they might actually walk out of Mania as champion.

That's a difference of opinion rather than an incontrovertible fact.

**Gonzo** · 02-20-2012, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by chilltown

But does it do anything for WWE if Cena wins? I get the passing of the torch. Its why I think the Rock would lose. It just makes sense from that point because Cena is an every day guy.. but I don't buy that Cena beating Rock does anything for WWE anyways.. does it really build Cena even more above the rest of the less than stellar roster?

Torch passing matches don't really do anything either way I guess. I haven't seen Rock / Hogan, but I'm assuming it's just a tip of the cap to the current generation (even though it was pretty obvious after the SS match that Rocky is clearly better than Cena).

**Vuchato** · 02-20-2012, 02:29 PM

He hasn't looked to strong to me since winning the title, though I haven't watched much smackdown admittedly. Most of his wins I've seen were just by DQ. Of course, basically the only heels that actually have impressive wins are the monsters. They need to have him make guys like Big Show, Shaemus, Cena, Punk, or Orton tap to make him seem like a real top guy, but of course they won't let him go cleanly over any of them.

Really though, they don't have any more credible heels than him though. Jericho maybe, but he's probably facing Punk at Mania, and didn't look all that strong last night. Ziggler, Christian, Miz, Barrett, Del Rio and Rhodes aren't really more credible either (at least not much). I guess there is Henry if he's healthy, but they do have to build up younger stars.

**King Joseus** · 02-20-2012, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by chilltown

But does it do anything for WWE if Cena wins? I get the passing of the torch. Its why I think the Rock would lose. It just makes sense from that point because Cena is an every day guy.. but I don't buy that Cena beating Rock does anything for WWE anyways.. does it really build Cena even more above the rest of the less than stellar roster?

It doesn't do anything much to elevate anyone, but it keeps Cena from dropping down. The rumored best of three setup negates a lot of the things to consider if it were a one off, but if it were to be just one match the only benefit that could come from Rock beating Cena would be if they used it as a catalyst to have him turn heel or use it to start a storyline where Cena needed to change things up. Cena winning maintains his golden boy status and lets him continue to do what he does.

The issues with Cena remain what they've always been, win or lose.

**King Joseus** · 02-20-2012, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Vuchato

He hasn't looked to strong to me since winning the title, though I haven't watched much smackdown admittedly. Most of his wins I've seen were just by DQ. Of course, basically the only heels that actually have impressive wins are the monsters. They need to have him make guys like Big Show, Shaemus, Cena, Punk, or Orton tap to make him seem like a real top guy, but of course they won't let him go cleanly over any of them.

Really though, they don't have any more credible heels than him though. Jericho maybe, but he's probably facing Punk at Mania, and didn't look all that strong last night. Ziggler, Christian, Miz, Barrett, Del Rio and Rhodes aren't really more credible either (at least not much). I guess there is Henry if he's healthy, but they do have to build up younger stars.

Yep. You had Henry on a great run, and ideally he'd have been champ through Mania for Sheamus to overcome, but his injuries forced a change in plans.

Bryan was given the ball and made to run with it, and he's done spectacularly given the hand that's dealt.

**Headliner** · 02-20-2012, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by King Joseus

That's a difference of opinion rather than an incontrovertible fact.

It's not even that though.

Triple H/Cena is one of the most successful World tile main-events in the last decade. And it's because of the uncertainly surrounding the finish. People thought that Triple H had a legit chance to win. That's what Mania World title matches are suppose to be about. Having two top guys in the company facing off, and the crowd not knowing who is going to win.

**Basel** · 02-20-2012, 02:38 PM

Do you know who will win Bryan vs. Sheamus? I don't see it being too predictable. I can easily see either guy winning.

FSH · 02-20-2012, 02:39 PM

Im really hoping we see a full card here not just matches thrown together that night...I want to see a Tag Team Title Match, A IC Title Match, A US Title Match, A Divas Title match and i want to see a good midcard match maybe to open the show like it used to be

I really hope WWE is serious about building the Midcard like they have been talking lately but i doubt they are

**Gonzo** · 02-20-2012, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Basel

Do you know who will win Bryan vs. Sheamus? I don't see it being too predictable. I can easily see either guy winning.

It doesn't seem too predictable, but I feel like Sheamus will. He's a face and getting a big push.

FSH · 02-20-2012, 02:41 PM

btw im betting The Rock wins...There is no way The Rock comes back to lose at WM

02-20-2012, 02:03 PM	#16 (permalink)
King Joseus Are You Ready Join Date: May 2003 Location: Zhengzhou Age: 25 Posts: 34,477 Rep Power: 9733002	Re: WrestleMania XXVIII Standing toe to toe with Big show on back to back weeks before a DQ victory and a no contest. Victory in a triple threat cage match with Henry and Show, DQ victory over Orton. Made Kofi Kingston (as one half of tag champs) tap. Beat Intercontinental Champion Cody Rhodes. Went toe to toe with CM Punk before winning by DQ. Won the Elimination Chamber match. He's a heel (and he's small), so clean wins over top guys (particularly giants) aren't going to happen. He's been phenomenal at goading opponents into DQs, and hasn't suffered any clean defeats while facing off primarily against Big Show and Mark Henry. They haven't had him make Show or Henry tap to keep them looking strong, but the LeBell Lock has been established as a credible submission threat prior to his winning the title. He's done all that one can do against those two guys without being a huge guy himself. Outsmarting opponents is as good as beating them down if you're not an Orton, destroyer type heel. __________________ Interested in joining the KVBL? PM me for information.

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King Joseus Are You Ready Join Date: May 2003 Location: Zhengzhou Age: 25 Posts: 34,477 Rep Power: 9733002	Re: WrestleMania XXVIII Bryan's no more out of whack as a contender as CM Punk. It only seems worse than it is because the SmackDown contender field is riddled with giants right now. Sheamus is actually a good match for him - he may be a powerhouse, but he's not overwhelmingly large. The issue is that they don't want to have him make the big guys tap out. Those guys can be more easily built back up due to their size. Submission victories over some bigger names would work wonders for him. He fits, but WWE is victimizing him with their booking. They have problems with that sometimes. __________________ Interested in joining the KVBL? PM me for information.

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thaKEAF hano Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Memphis, TN Age: 25 Posts: 20,681 Rep Power: 15790639	Re: WrestleMania XXVIII WWE doesn't believe in those type of heels anymore. Basically every heel is just food for cena and orton..Henry was the first heel in years I took serious __________________

02-20-2012, 02:29 PM	#23 (permalink)
Vuchato Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: MA Posts: 6,054 Rep Power: 6652520	Re: WrestleMania XXVIII He hasn't looked to strong to me since winning the title, though I haven't watched much smackdown admittedly. Most of his wins I've seen were just by DQ. Of course, basically the only heels that actually have impressive wins are the monsters. They need to have him make guys like Big Show, Shaemus, Cena, Punk, or Orton tap to make him seem like a real top guy, but of course they won't let him go cleanly over any of them. Really though, they don't have any more credible heels than him though. Jericho maybe, but he's probably facing Punk at Mania, and didn't look all that strong last night. Ziggler, Christian, Miz, Barrett, Del Rio and Rhodes aren't really more credible either (at least not much). I guess there is Henry if he's healthy, but they do have to build up younger stars. __________________ KVBL Las Vegas Timberwolves Kenny Fugere/CJ Sampson/Walter Pelfrey Hollis Davies/Vytautas Jokubaitas Tayerone Blackman/Charlie Fineman/Willy Grant/Scott Diamond Mac Moore/Kobe Danielson/Kong Randolph Rafa Salvadores/Sam Sagan/Mick Scragg

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FSH I want Waffles. Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Syracuse,NY Posts: 13,923 Rep Power: 4891286	Re: WrestleMania XXVIII Im really hoping we see a full card here not just matches thrown together that night...I want to see a Tag Team Title Match, A IC Title Match, A US Title Match, A Divas Title match and i want to see a good midcard match maybe to open the show like it used to be I really hope WWE is serious about building the Midcard like they have been talking lately but i doubt they are __________________

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