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**Gonzo** · 11-12-2012, 06:55 PM

I seriously doubt that WWE is going away from PG.

**Headliner** · 11-12-2012, 07:04 PM

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That was in VERY bad taste; I was really hoping WWE wouldn't stoop that low, but it doesn't surprise me in the least bit.

The only good that can come out of this is that Vince is ready to go back to non-PG. We'll see.

What did I miss after the Lawler segment? I was on the phone and don't feel like rewinding my DVR.

There was a 4 on 4 tag match with Primetime Players/Primo and Epico vs Rey/Sin Cara/Gabriel and Kidd.

Rey's team won. Rey hit the 619, tagged in Gabe who hit the 450.

Miz asked to be put on the ballot to join Team Foley after his interaction with Ziggler. The fans has to chose between Santino, Ryder and Miz.

**Basel** · 11-12-2012, 07:17 PM

Are they trying to push Miz as a face or something? He's easily a better choice than Santino or Ryder.

Ryback destroys Maddox. Fun squash, I suppose.

**Headliner** · 11-12-2012, 07:39 PM

Yeah it's a Miz face turn. Really not much else for him to do.

**Knick Killer** · 11-13-2012, 11:45 PM

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Regal's chest was nuts.

Punk/Heyman making fun of King is so tasteless. It ranks right up there with the Eddie in hell stuff. I can't believe this.

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Very bad taste.

Then again, with Vince, nothing seems off limits.

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Originally Posted by Basel

That was in VERY bad taste; I was really hoping WWE wouldn't stoop that low, but it doesn't surprise me in the least bit.

The only good that can come out of this is that Vince is ready to go back to non-PG. We'll see.

What did I miss after the Lawler segment? I was on the phone and don't feel like rewinding my DVR.

Oh get over it. This is professional wrestling and I guarantee Lawler had absolutely no problem with it. This is nowhere even close to as bad as the Eddie stuff. The heels today are pathetic at attracting heat so I enjoy anything that pushes the envelope.

Anyways, here are some big name guys opinion on the fake heart attack:

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During a phone interview with “Stone Cold” Steve Austin today promoting WWE ’13 and Redneck Island on CMT, I asked “The Rattlesnake” for his thoughts on the controversial moment on Monday night’s Raw involving Paul Heyman faking a heart attack (in case you missed it, detailed info can be found in my Raw recap here).
Austin, the most popular superstar from WWE’s Attitude Era -- an Era that prided itself on pushing the envelope and creating controversial situations that would have fans talking -- had an interesting response:

"I believe in pushing the envelope in an aggressive fashion. But when a guy damn near dies at ringside, let it go. You look at all the contributions Jerry Lawler has made in this business: from a work standpoint, a promo standpoint and then as a broadcaster. I think that's pushing the envelope in the wrong direction. There's better ways to go get real heat than that."

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Austin’s opinion matches many fans who watched the segment. However, many of Austin’s colleagues in WWE have a different viewpoint. I reached some for comment:

Chris Jericho (@iamjericho): I think it was pretty obvious, don’t you? I kind of expected it. Punk’s promo was awesome. It’s wrestling so you knew it would end up as an angle sooner or later. I got the same complaints when I did the alcoholic angle (earlier this year with CM Punk). It would be like being mad at "Breaking Bad" because the dad was a drug addict or something. It’s just a TV show, after all.

Gregory Shane “Hurricane” Helms (@shanehelmscom): I can see how it might bother some, but it didn't bother me. I almost severed my spinal cord and I wouldn't get offended at a neck injury angle. At the end of the day, it's a television show meant to entertain. And part of that entertainment is to invoke emotion, both good and bad. That segment was designed to make people hate CM Punk and Paul Heyman and it obviously worked. Medical issues are used weekly on "House" -- do people get offended at that? Hell, even Lawler poked fun of himself moments later when the ambulance arrived for the Ryback-Maddox segment. If that segment made you hate Punk, good, now maybe you'll cheer a little louder for Ryback or Cena at Survivor Series. It's basic storytelling. I was more offended at William Regal wearing Moolah's old ring gear. :-)

MVP (@the305MVP): I’m not opposed to it. It’s WWE. If someone recreates a heart attack on a TV show or movie, no one’s offended! King is ALIVE! If he died ...

Brian “Blue Meanie” Heffron (@theebluemeanie): Honestly, I didn’t get to see it but I will say that heart attack angles are nothing new in wrestling, whether in front of the camera or in the locker room, where the promoter will fake one because he realizes he doesn’t have enough money to pay the (wrestlers)! I’m sure Jerry (Lawler) didn’t have a problem with it because he knows it would have an impact. I mean, Eddie Gilbert once hit him with a car for wrestling! So why not let Heyman mock his heart attack if he knows it will get heat for Punk since Punk is so over it’s almost impossible for fans to hate him at this time? Assuming Jerry is fine with it, then I see no harm.

Lance Storm (@storm_wrestling): Thought it was poor. Both he and Punk are capable to get real heat, no need to sink so low. Also thought it was out of character for Punk so it hurt. Punk is about Best in World and himself. Why bother joking about heart attack it goes nowhere. Interuption was okay and in character. Fake heart attack was cheap and pointless

Current Smackdown commentator John “Bradshaw” Layfield experienced a similar angle during his time wrestling as JBL in a rivalry with the late Eddie Guerrero. He wrote about it in a recent Facebook blog.

"The JBL character wasn't working and Eddie and Chavo Sr. came up with the idea for the 'heart attack' of his mother on Mother's Day in his hometown of El Paso. I literally had a police escort out of town for my own safety that night, talk about heat.

"This angle with CM Punk and Heyman faking a heart attack last night, I loved it-this is something Eddie would have loved also. People get worked up, and it is their choice to be offended by whatever they choose. I thought it was awesome, I just wish JBL could have done it!"

There is also a large contingent of fans who felt the moment was a throwback to “the good ol’ days.” Goaltender for the NHL’s Phoenix Coyotes and long-time pro wrestling fan Jason LaBarbera summed up those fans’ thoughts when reached for comment:

“I thought it was great! Obviously people may find it a bit shocking, but I think that’s what they were going for. Lawler obviously was OK with it. I loved it, though, because it was kind of old school. Hopefully with Linda (McMahon) done with (the Senate race) they can get over “PG” and get back to where wrestling angles should be.”

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/p...,2759734.story

**Knick Killer** · 11-13-2012, 11:47 PM

Oh and they should've had Brad Maddox somehow pull off a win. That would've been huge for him.

**agoo101284** · 11-14-2012, 04:37 AM

I think I'm on board with Lance Storm's comments. I found myself saying that those guys had no need to go there because they can get that reaction with those cheap moves.

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Lance Storm (@storm_wrestling): Thought it was poor. Both he and Punk are capable to get real heat, no need to sink so low. Also thought it was out of character for Punk so it hurt. Punk is about Best in World and himself. Why bother joking about heart attack it goes nowhere. Interuption was okay and in character. Fake heart attack was cheap and pointless

**Cinco de Mayo** · 11-14-2012, 05:06 AM

Chris Jericho obviously has never seen Breaking Bad.

**roux2dope** · 11-14-2012, 05:44 AM

Lawler had to have gave his blessing for this to go forward.. So ill take some of the heat off of vince for that. This isnt the first time they have used something in real life for cheap heat and it wont be the last. My main issue with it is i dont think punk needed to do it. The guy already has reemendous heat and really disnt need to go this route to get anymore. If ehey would have uaed this to get a midcard heel over it would he ine thing but punk didnt need this at all.

**Headliner** · 11-14-2012, 08:25 AM

Lawler giving his blessing doesn't make it acceptable to do.

**roux2dope** · 11-14-2012, 09:21 AM

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Lawler giving his blessing doesn't make it acceptable to do.

Sure it does. Lawler has been doing this for forty years and is close to the mcmahon family. If he thought it could bring some attention to the show and was fine with it then we should be fine with it too. The only thing i am really hoping for is that this doesnt lead to a return to the ring for the king

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**Headliner** · 11-14-2012, 09:46 AM

I'm just going to copy/paste myself lol.

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WWE is a publicly traded corporate company. Which makes it even worse because they are on the national scale, and there's more spotlight on the company in the recent years due to Linda's campaign. Vince wonders why they can't get certain sponsors, or why people (mainly women) wouldn't vote for Linda, or why they continue to fail when they pursue every venture outside of wrestling, and it all points to shit like this. Heart attacks are a very serious and sensitive issue to a lot of people, and WWE just made a mockery of the entire thing in such an awful manner that it made watching the product quite uncomfortable.

There's many ways of being edgy without being sleazy.

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WWE, a publicly traded company (NYSE: WWE), is an integrated media organization and recognized leader in global entertainment. The company consists of a portfolio of businesses that create and deliver original content 52 weeks a year to a global audience. WWE is committed to family friendly entertainment on its television programming, pay-per-view, digital media and publishing platforms. WWE programming is broadcast in more than 145 countries and 30 languages and reaches more than 600 million homes worldwide. The company is headquartered in Stamford, Conn., with offices in New York, Los Angeles, Miami, London, Mumbai, Shanghai, Singapore, Istanbul and Tokyo.

Family friendly entertainment is not mocking heart attacks on live TV. If WWE is suppose to be a program that families can watch together, then they wouldn't be mocking heart attacks on TV. Because most parents that actually have a clue wouldn't be comfortable watching that type of television with their children. And who knows if parents had to tell their children that wrestling is fake after watching that because they don't want their children thinking it's ok to make fun of people who had heart attacks. (Like I said before, kids will find out eventually, but they shouldn't have their viewing experience altered in this way.)

**** hardcore wrestling fans who will like any sleazy bullshit that McMahon puts on TV. It's not about you. McMahon knows he has you in the back of his pocket.

It's about a larger audience.
-An audience of people who might of recently had bad experiences with heart attacks.
-An audience of people who believe tragic real life situations shouldn't be made mockery of for the sake of cheap attention and entertainment.
-An audience of people that knows bad taste when they see it.
-An audience of casuals that just want to see a fun exciting TV show without trashy bullshit (They are the ones who will most likely tune out at something like this)

WWE's goal is to attract new viewers and customers. That's the object of any business. There's just no way they are attracting new viewers with that type of TV. Hell, they might lose some who were casuals that watched the product for basic enjoyment.

**Headliner** · 11-14-2012, 09:52 AM

You can't go from BE A STAR and giving $1 million to breast cancer awareness to this.

**Gonzo** · 11-14-2012, 02:38 PM

I would have rather Punk go with the idea that he gave Jerry the heart attack, might've drawn some more heat.

**Knick Killer** · 11-14-2012, 02:51 PM

Can't believe how upset some of you are with this. It's ****ing wrestling 101. This isn't even as bad as when Michael Cole was making fun of Jerry Lawlers mom's death.

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Headliner ____________ Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,892 Rep Power: 665818	Re: Monday Night Raw [Jerry Lawler Returns, Ryback vs. Brad Maddox - 11/12/12] Yeah it's a Miz face turn. Really not much else for him to do.

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roux2dope I'm perfectly calm Dude Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Wauwatosa, WI Age: 31 Posts: 10,528 Rep Power: 6986292	Re: Monday Night Raw [Jerry Lawler Returns, Ryback vs. Brad Maddox - 11/12/12] Lawler had to have gave his blessing for this to go forward.. So ill take some of the heat off of vince for that. This isnt the first time they have used something in real life for cheap heat and it wont be the last. My main issue with it is i dont think punk needed to do it. The guy already has reemendous heat and really disnt need to go this route to get anymore. If ehey would have uaed this to get a midcard heel over it would he ine thing but punk didnt need this at all.

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Headliner ____________ Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,892 Rep Power: 665818	Re: Monday Night Raw [Jerry Lawler Returns, Ryback vs. Brad Maddox - 11/12/12] Lawler giving his blessing doesn't make it acceptable to do.

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Headliner ____________ Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,892 Rep Power: 665818	Re: Monday Night Raw [Jerry Lawler Returns, Ryback vs. Brad Maddox - 11/12/12] You can't go from BE A STAR and giving $1 million to breast cancer awareness to this.

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Gonzo King George Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Indiana Age: 22 Posts: 11,003 Rep Power: 15819679	Re: Monday Night Raw [Jerry Lawler Returns, Ryback vs. Brad Maddox - 11/12/12] I would have rather Punk go with the idea that he gave Jerry the heart attack, might've drawn some more heat. __________________

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Knick Killer -LIFETIME MEMBER- Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Age: 20 Posts: 9,413 Rep Power: 8494693	Re: Monday Night Raw [Jerry Lawler Returns, Ryback vs. Brad Maddox - 11/12/12] Can't believe how upset some of you are with this. It's ****ing wrestling 101. This isn't even as bad as when Michael Cole was making fun of Jerry Lawlers mom's death. __________________

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