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Old 12-07-2012, 08:18 AM   #31 (permalink)
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JBL was never credible as WWE Champion. World Champions make main-eventers if they are booked correctly. Mysterio got destroyed and lost clean to Khali and Mark Henry as World Champion. Never taken seriously. And look at what happened to Swagger? The worse World Champion in the last (idk) years.

My idea of Rock winning the title? It's not my idea. It's purely speculation that makes sense to me based on ratings and interest. You mean to tell me people won't tune in if Rock is WWE Champion? Once again, it's only two months.

I highly, highly doubt Rock did this promo about wanting to become WWE Champion for absolutely no reason.
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I agree with Irving that Punk losing to the Rock would be a wasted opportunity at creating a new star but the money and ratings are in the Rock becoming WWE champion. Could also bring back some fans that have lost interest over the years.


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I agree with Irving that Punk losing to the Rock would be a wasted opportunity at creating a new star but the money and ratings are in the Rock becoming WWE champion. Could also bring back some fans that have lost interest over the years.


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JBL was never credible as WWE Champion.
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World Champions make main-eventers if they are booked correctly. Mysterio got destroyed and lost clean to Khali and Mark Henry as World Champion. Never taken seriously. And look at what happened to Swagger? The worse World Champion in the last (idk) years.
Mysterio and Swagger's title reigns weren't anything close to JBL's. First off Swagger should never have been world champion, at least not yet. WWE did book him horribly but I still don't think Swagger was developed enough to be world champion (I'm ignoring his ECW title reign because that show wasn't watched by much people anyway). Second, Swagger and Mysterio regardless of what way they were booked only had the title for a few months. JBL had it for nine. That's definitely long enough to have someone new beat you and then rise to stardom. That's what happened with Cena. The way they booked JBL's title reign was excellent.

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You mean to tell me people won't tune in if Rock is WWE Champion? Once again, it's only two months.
People would tune in if the WWE had a new interesting kind of WWE champion that they would actually want to see and can take seriously. WWE has that opportunity right here. Throw that away by giving the Rock the WWE title and just like that you're giving up on your current talent and relying on past stars to fill your ratings. I'm not sure if you realize this, but that is NOT a good spot to be in, especially when you're limited on the amount of past stars that you have that can actually still wrestle. WWF didn't win the monday night wars by bringing in past stars to fill their ratings, they won the war by building up NEW stars that made the fans interested in the product long term, not short term like you're saying the Rock would do.

Now yea sure, the Rock would bring ratings and interest, but how long would that last? Not that long my friend. It would be a complete waste. A year long title reign just so the Rock could have a two month title reign and then go away? Yea, that wouldn't go too well.

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I highly, highly doubt Rock did this promo about wanting to become WWE Champion for absolutely no reason.
You mean other than to attract ratings and interest? Now that I think about it, I think I heard that somewhere before...
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Now with that said, WWE can't have Cena win the title from Cm Punk. They also can't have Bryan Danielson do it, they can't have Sheamus or Orton or Mysterio or Del Rio do it. They need to have someone who has never been world champion before and that Punk has never defended his title against before do it (so yes, it also can't be Ryback), and it has to happen at Wrestlemania. So have that person, who ever it may be, win the Royal Rumble, and then win the title from Punk and end his title reign once and for all, and then they have themselves a possible new permanent main eventer.

Anything else they could possibly do, including your idiotic idea of having the Rock of all the ****ing people beat him at RR, would be stupid and would screw WWE over big time in the long run.
I agree with most of your post but I don't understand why a guy like Daniel Bryan can't win his first WWE title against him even if he has gotten a shot against him.

Orton wouldn't be a bad idea either since Punk hasn't really wrestled him during this reign, but it looks like they are going to push him as a heel in '13.

Perhaps the Miz will grab it from him if Rock doesn't.
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And then they'll probably stop watching when The Rock leaves.
Honestly, the only thing it seems that Vince cares about these days is Wrestlemania season.
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Can't tell if supreme trolling or just being stupid.
JBL was a mid-carder that was rushed to the WWE title to fill the void of Lesnar being gone. Tell me one time during his title run that you thought JBL could legit win against his opponent at a PPV?
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People would tune in if the WWE had a new interesting kind of WWE champion that they would actually want to see and can take seriously. WWE has that opportunity right here. Throw that away by giving the Rock the WWE title and just like that you're giving up on your current talent and relying on past stars to fill your ratings. I'm not sure if you realize this, but that is NOT a good spot to be in, especially when you're limited on the amount of past stars that you have that can actually still wrestle. WWF didn't win the monday night wars by bringing in past stars to fill their ratings, they won the war by building up NEW stars that made the fans interested in the product long term, not short term like you're saying the Rock would do.
There's nothing wrong with short term especially during Mania season when ratings are at its peak. The fact is, Vince wants stars. The reason some of his guys aren't big stars is due to his crappy booking team, but also wrestling isn't as hot as it once was.

Vince is trying to use old stars to get people to watch the product and identify with new faces. The problem is, the booking is so crap and nobody has a character that people can really be a attracted to. Once again, that's Vince fault.
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Now yea sure, the Rock would bring ratings and interest, but how long would that last? Not that long my friend. It would be a complete waste. A year long title reign just so the Rock could have a two month title reign and then go away? Yea, that wouldn't go too well.
Mania season. That's what Vince cares about the most. The Raw after Mania will do a good rating like it always does, and it will be up to WWE to capitalize on Mania's momentum moving forward.
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I agree with most of your post but I don't understand why a guy like Daniel Bryan can't win his first WWE title against him even if he has gotten a shot against him.

Orton wouldn't be a bad idea either since Punk hasn't really wrestled him during this reign, but it looks like they are going to push him as a heel in '13.

Perhaps the Miz will grab it from him if Rock doesn't.
Keep in mind that I'm not just referring to people who have faced him before, I'm also referring to people who have never won a world title in the WWE. Bryan Danielson not only won a world title already but he also actually had a somewhat lengthy reign and even went into Wrestlemania as the world heavyweight champion. It has to be someone who hasn't been to that point yet.

With that said, definitely can't be Orton, it has to be someone who needs it so they can make themselves a new star out of it. Any ideas that they could do that with? I'm thinking Wade Barrett but I just can't see him as a face honestly.

P.S. If they were to have the Miz do it then wrestling smarks would riot.
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JBL was a mid-carder that was rushed to the WWE title to fill the void of Lesnar being gone. Tell me one time during his title run that you thought JBL could legit win against his opponent at a PPV?
Idk, I didn't wrestling was real like you apparently do.

In all seriousness, no one, but that was what made the title reign so great, you didn't expect JBL to win all these matches and he ended up doing so, it's not like JBL was beating mid carders that they needed to randomly select to face JBL. JBL was literally going up the best that they had to offer and despite the fact that I don't think he won a single title match cleanly, he always found a way to come out on top. It was one of the best heel title reigns WWE did in a long time.

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There's nothing wrong with short term especially during Mania season when ratings are at its peak.
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The fact is, Vince wants stars. The reason some of his guys aren't big stars is due to his crappy booking team, but also wrestling isn't as hot as it once was.
That's why you give it a reason to be hot again, by giving fans new reason to want to watch it, not go back to old stars who won't stick around long and act like you can't stop living in the past.

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Vince is trying to use old stars to get people to watch the product and identify with new faces. The problem is, the booking is so crap and nobody has a character that people can really be a attracted to. Once again, that's Vince fault.
That's why you don't bring the Rock into this. You keep getting them to rely on old stars and they aren't going to learn from their mistakes. Cena vs Rock was a one time occasion that was demanded by fans for a very long time and they finally got it, so that was okay. But do something like this twice and suddenly it's overkill to the ****ing max.

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Mania season. That's what Vince cares about the most. The Raw after Mania will do a good rating like it always does, and it will be up to WWE to capitalize on Mania's momentum moving forward.
So you give them a reason to want to watch it. Right now off the top of my head I can't think of anyone the WWE can push that would get fans incredibly excited to want to watch the next edition of Raw after Mania due to the fact that the wrestler they always wanted to see win has finally won the big one. But you shouldn't have your goal to be to want them to watch only the Raw that's after Mania, you want them to keep on watching for the whole year. New stars will do that.
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