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Old 04-25-2019, 09:02 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Higher profile teams will consider going to Boston for a variety of reasons that Burlington-VT cannot offer: big city with fertile local recruiting area/large local alumni base/possibly close to home of one of its players/easy to travel to with several direct flight options
This.

Obvious stuff is obvious which is why I didn't think I needed to write it.
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Every P5 team only travels via charter (or bus if close) so I don't see how the airport reason has any validity.

The point is no one really cares about BU basketball. Not folks in Boston, not fans of a P5 team. They could come off a 30-win season and they still won't be able to average more than 1,000 in attendance.

It's also worth noting that BU has the *highest enrollment* of ALL New England colleges (34,000); more than UConn, more than UMass-Amherst, more than any other school in New England. Yet they still can't get 3% of those students to go to a single basketball game.

What value does a P5 team find going to a school like that? If they wanted an easy win in Boston they'd go to BC.
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URI bought Stony Brook last year and will not make a return visit. URI's last visit to a current AE member was at Maine back in 1993.
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Every P5 team only travels via charter (or bus if close) so I don't see how the airport reason has any validity.

The point is no one really cares about BU basketball. Not folks in Boston, not fans of a P5 team. They could come off a 30-win season and they still won't be able to average more than 1,000 in attendance.

It's also worth noting that BU has the *highest enrollment* of ALL New England colleges (34,000); more than UConn, more than UMass-Amherst, more than any other school in New England. Yet they still can't get 3% of those students to go to a single basketball game.

What value does a P5 team find going to a school like that? If they wanted an easy win in Boston they'd go to BC.
I don't think the point is to talk about BU's basketball attendance problems, which is and has always been poor; BU actually no longer plays any of its home games at Agganis and hasn't since 2015. Also, Courtney Sims (RIP) was on the Michigan team and from Boston.

The point is Boston is still a more attractive place for a BCS team to want to go play than Burlington as RF1 highlighted. What are the benefits to a BCS school to go play at UVM, a game they also could conceivably lose?

Additionally, at least at the Agganis you have a facility that can hold 6000-7000 fans. This new arena won’t be able to hold 4700 fans. What's the new arena's max capacity going to be again, isn't it only a few hundred more than what Patrick is now? Not that the arena should be designed for one theoretical basketball game obviously, but again, what are the benefits for a P5 school to play at UVM? Like, we know what the benefits are for UVM, but for them?
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Plenty of A10 schools visit AE schools. If Fordham's willing to come up to Orono I think UVM should be able to schedule a home-and-home with a team as stroried as Davidson. Not saying that's likely to happen, but just that it's in the realm of possibility.
Davidson left the state of North Carolina twice in the non-conference last year: once to play Temple in Atlantic City, and once to play in the Charleston tournament.

All three non-conference road games last year were in-state: at Wake Forest, at North Carolina and at UNC-Wilmington.

Sure, competitively UVM is probably better than UNCW, but why would Davidson head to Burlington when it can stay in state and play UNCW? Or Charlotte? Or UNC Greensboro?

The list of A-10 teams willing to travel to a lower league school probably consists of Fordham, La Salle, and St. Bonaventure. Maybe George Mason if you are local. And GW if you are the coach's alma mater (although that ship has sailed).
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... And GW if you are the coach's alma mater (although that ship has sailed).
Or sunk, more like.
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Yes (very Rothsteinish). It was and I unfortunately was there to see it. Stony Brook romped over Rhody and also went home with a paycheck.
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Here are all of the non-conference teams Villanova has played true road games against in the last five years:

Penn x3
St. Joseph's x2
Temple x2
LaSalle

Kansas
Connecticut
Purdue (Big 10/Big East Gavitt Games)

Unless Vermont is joining the Big Five, or the Big 10, or is UConn or Kansas, I don't see it happening.

My guess? UVM will have a nice matchup against Bucknell or Siena to open their arena. The days of Power 5 teams throwing a bone to a small or mid major are long gone. Except maybe Penn State or Rutgers. At which point, who cares.
You’re right, there is no reason for a P5 team to come to Burlington. My point was if someone was to do it, Villanova might be the school, based on our history with them, and with two national championships, Wright can do whatever he pleases.
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If there is one P5 school to come up to the new Arena BC would be by far the most likely candidate. They're in Boston, which as we've been saying is the WORST college basketball city in the country, so home OOC games are much less valuable for them (maybe it's just fatigue from Bruins/Celtics/Pats fans who become tired of winning). UVM has more history and connections with BC and their athletic department than they do any other P5 school.

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If there is one P5 school to come up to the new Arena BC would be by far the most likely candidate. They're in Boston, which as we've been saying is the WORST college basketball city in the country, so home OOC games are much less valuable for them (maybe it's just fatigue from Bruins/Celtics/Pats fans who become tired of winning). UVM has more history and connections with BC and their athletic department than they do any other P5 school.

I still want 'Cuse though....
BC might come to Burlington, but they would likely try to demand a 2-1. That is what they had with other New England schools such as Hartford, URI (2x) and Holy Cross in the last decade.
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BC might come to Burlington, but they would likely try to demand a 2-1. That is what they had with other New England schools such as Hartford, URI (2x) and Holy Cross in the last decade.
BC hasn't been very good for a long time. UVM would go 3-0 and BC would never play us again.
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BC hasn't been very good for a long time. UVM would go 3-0 and BC would never play us again.
You may be right. URI won the last 2-1 BC series sweeping all three games. BC has not played URI again since the last game of that series back in January of 2012.

I was not in favor of Rhody giving BC a 2-1 series when it was done twice dating back to 2005. I do not consider BC to be an elite program deserving of such an arrangement versus URI. It's home arena may seat about 900 more but does so because much of it is bleacher (RC is all chairback). URI has a newer and much nicer arena which it regularly fills with more people (as it also did with the games between the two schools). The irony of BC demanding double the home games is that URI has a better record vs BC in Conte Forum (3-2) than at its Ryan Center home (1-1).

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FWIW I looked up attendance of all New England DI programs (2017-2018). PC and URI were both in the top-15 nationally for YOY attendance growth. URI makes a lot of sense, as the data's from last season when everyone was going gaga over EC Mathews and Fatts Russell, URI were getting AP votes, etc.

UVM could've definitely averaged a lot more if we had more gym capacity. Not that every game was a sellout, but I'm sure there would've easily been demand for 4,000 seats during those nights (6,000+ for playoffs), which would boosted the average a bit.

BU...20-win seasons, 30,000+ students on campus, and they get 600 fans to a game....tough look.

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BC absolutely won't be coming to Burlington, and likely won't host us in Chestnut Hill anytime soon either since last time they did this happened:


BC was actually GOOD back then too-ranked #14, still had Al Skinner, Jared Dudley, and Tyrese Rice.
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UVMHC- I think you are right. BC doesn't want another debacle.

I wonder if the game had anything to do with Trapani's transfer to BC. He saw that he was really good enough to play in the ACC and BC knew it after he slapped them around.
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