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Old 04-14-2013, 10:17 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Re: A10 close to adding Davidson (for 2014)

I'd rather have Charleston than Iona/Fairfield, but that's just me.

If we add 2 and SLU and Dayton leave, I'd go with Siena in the north and Charleston in the South and go to divisional play.

North:

St. Bonaventure
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UMass
Duquesne
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St. Joe's
George Washington
George Mason
VCU
Richmond
Davidson
Charleston

...or something like that. Would much rather keep SLU and Dayton, but we'll see how it goes.
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Re: A10 close to adding Davidson (for 2014)

Congrats Davidson and the rest of the A-10! This is fantastic! This makes up for the previous move!

Also I have been told by a reputable source that should Dayton, SLU, and UMass leave in the future, they are considering a list of 5 candidates to replace them, in no particular order:

Siena
Florida Gulf Coast
Northeastern
Belmont
Campbell

It's no secret who I hope gets the invite.
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What Does Sienna bring to the A10? They had six losing seasons out of the past ten. OK! The have a very nice public arena for home games in Albany.we need to get over this fascination with arena size and look for quality teams to replace the quality teams we lost; Temple, Xavier, Butler. If we don't thnk big we will soon be a low mid- major conferemce

I like the Davidson possibility along with George Mason
It is not just arena size. They have a large fanbase and do a good job filling their arena as their average attendance is better than most A-10 members. They are also the dominant team in a fairly large metro area with little competition as it has no top pro level teams. Furthermore they have had bouts of success under numerous coaches. Unfortunately for them, their last hire was not a good choice.
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What Does Sienna bring to the A10? They had six losing seasons out of the past ten. OK! The have a very nice public arena for home games in Albany.we need to get over this fascination with arena size and look for quality teams to replace the quality teams we lost; Temple, Xavier, Butler. If we don't thnk big we will soon be a low mid- major conferemce
Maybe they'll have a clause in their contract that can give them the boot if they don't perform. But we'll never be a low mid-major because a bunch of other mid-majors would have to jump over us for that to happen, and there aren't many or any out there.
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I'd rather have Charleston than Iona/Fairfield, but that's just me.

If we add 2 and SLU and Dayton leave, I'd go with Siena in the north and Charleston in the South and go to divisional play.

North:

St. Bonaventure
Siena
UMass
Duquesne
Rhode Island
Fordham
La Salle

South:

St. Joe's
George Washington
George Mason
VCU
Richmond
Davidson
Charleston

...or something like that. Would much rather keep SLU and Dayton, but we'll see how it goes.
How would that divisional play work? Would you play the teams in your division once and then 4 from the other division for 16 game schedule? 6 from the other division for an 18 game schedule?
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Re: A10 close to adding Davidson (for 2014)

I didn't think it that far through. That post was after 1 a.m. haha
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Ha, ha. That is why I did not reply to you last night when I first read it, I wanted to make sure I was thinking about it right, so I waited until morning.
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Re: A10 close to adding Davidson (for 2014)

Addition doesn't seem to make alot of sense if Dayton and/or SLU are around for a while. I'm not sure its necessary even if it turns out its SLU and Richmond going to the BE. Assuming at least two of the three schools (UD, UR SLU) are going in short order, then I think the A-10 needs to adopt a structure similar to that posted bu District Baller. What you want is home and home games with natural rivals. Fourteen is a harder number of teams to work with. I think 12 or 16 (4 pods 4 teams each) would be better.
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Yeah, was not liking that divisional north/south proposal.
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Re: A10 close to adding Davidson (for 2014)

Does anyone know WTF this guy is talking about?

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Of all the conference realignment we've seen, can't imagine one that runs more counter to nature of the institution than Davidson to A10.

From an academic point of view they are joining Fordham, GW, Richmond at the high level. Impressive company without question.
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Addition doesn't seem to make alot of sense if Dayton and/or SLU are around for a while. I'm not sure its necessary even if it turns out its SLU and Richmond going to the BE. Assuming at least two of the three schools (UD, UR SLU) are going in short order, then I think the A-10 needs to adopt a structure similar to that posted bu District Baller. What you want is home and home games with natural rivals. Fourteen is a harder number of teams to work with. I think 12 or 16 (4 pods 4 teams each) would be better.
I believe that Dayton will be the school added with STL..

The new "Big East" is really a midwestern based basketball conference.. Georgetown is not the powerful dog that the media or they are portrayed out to be.. They are a victim to their doing, they needed more money than they were getting from the Big East and they were losing their big ticket schools and the big media giant, ESPN.. They needed to look out for themselves and rightfully so....

They created a conference with the Midwestern based schools for that money.. Fox comes along and bids against themselves to pay these an amazing large amount of money that by in large isn't warranted.. and was not in the same ballpark as NBC Sports, CBS, etc (I do not have a credible article where ESPN even bid for the conference TV rights)..

But when you have Xavier, Butler, DePaul, Marquette, Creighton all in the midwest and considering their considerably more successful track records especially compared to the underwhelming eastern group... You have to think the midwest will have the influence in a vote.. In addition, for a school like Providence, I would actually wonder which was the quicker flight to Dayton or Richmond. The conference is too small at 10 or 12 and is very regionally compact to have to worry about separating into groups and with their sizable Fox checks flying costs shouldn't be a concern. You can make the argument that Dayton would actually be at the center of the conference with STL, Creighton, Marquette setting the Western flank.

The A-10 will be fine. The A-10 commissioner has been very well with the cards that she had been dealt.. There is only so much in her control but from the VCU and Butler additions to the GMU and Davidson additions this summer, with more on the way, she has shown the ability to lead. An even a bigger boost is the confidence that the University's Presidents have in her. I haven't received confirmation yet on who pressed who on removing Charleston from Davidson's demands so I can't give credit just yet to her if she was able to talk down Davidson.

I know some will say that Davidson is SoCon good and their RPI isn't that good.. But their RPI was destroyed by playing in that conference.. They seem to attract mid-level, undervalued recruits consistently and have a wealthy base/endowment to the school. Heck in a "down year" for Davidson in which they still made the Tourney, they should have beaten Marquette, the new Big East's longest tournament survivor, if it weren't for a last minute meltdown.
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Of all the conference realignment we've seen, can't imagine one that runs more counter to nature of the institution than Davidson to A10.

From an academic point of view they are joining Fordham, GW, Richmond at the high level. Impressive company without question.
Perhaps that they are a small liberal arts college with an enrollment less than 2,000 whereas the others you mention are universities with larger enrollments. Davidson is really a great fit for the Patriot League when it comes to profile and if we were to ignore location. I could see the move to the A10 being a catalyst for growth for Davidson though.
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Perhaps that they are a small liberal arts college with an enrollment less than 2,000 whereas the others you mention are universities with larger enrollments. Davidson is really a great fit for the Patriot League when it comes to profile and if we were to ignore location. I could see the move to the A10 being a catalyst for growth for Davidson though.
They have the money to grow. Half a billion in the coffers and, that excludes, a recent $50 million gift from the Duke endowment fund..
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I literally do not care much for the ongoing DIRECTION of the league. As a fan of one of the northern most schools, I don't really like the southern strategy that seemes to be getting pushed by McGlade. She moved the League Headquarters from Philadelphia to the the VA tidewater area and if Davidson joins the A-10, the three newest A-10 members will all be from Va and NC (VCU, GMU, and Davidson). I am not necessarily opposed to seeing southern members added. I would however like to see a more geographically balanced approach to new membership and not a wholesale move in one direction.
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Re: A10 close to adding Davidson (for 2014)

It's Mike DeCourcy he's fifty-fifty. 50% makes sense, 50% makes no sense.

If he's tweeting, with no chance to expand, make that 20-80.

Not sure of the academic profiles of all the SoCon but I think they are far ranging. Furman in there? Very good. App. State? Ummm... not as good as Furman. So not sure that's the critique.

That conference appears to be shredded and on the bottom of the totem pole. Davidson is being proactive, so if it's a question of upgrading it's better to spend more then be left behind. If DeCourcy is suggesting they won't, then hopefully, let's all cross our fingers that after McKillop leaves they won't become a southern anchor.
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