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Old 04-15-2013, 11:58 AM   #76 (permalink)
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So yes?

If you want a nationally relevant basketball conference, these are the schools you have to add. I'm not sure I want the A-10 to become a glorified MAAC for the sake of travelling budgets.
The only MAAC team I would consider is Siena and I think it would be a better choice than Davidson.

I realize that URI did travel to Charlotte. It however would be nice to have some teams that were not as far a trip. Travel is a concern for other A-10 schools that don't have another team across town and a few others within relatively short bus rides.
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There is simply no reason to accommodate Dayton and St. Louis when both schools are most likely going to be leaving anyways. I don't really see the concern about travelling to Davidson as they are about as far as Charlotte. I'm a big advocate of adding Towson as the 14th team (after Dayton and St. Louis leave and Siena joins) as I think it would fill a nice niche, the stadium is going to be perfect, and Baltimore has untapped potential. Football is a concern though. Still, are the football dollars at that level worth it?
Football dollars at that level are not worth it, but I do not see them dropping football so they need to park it somewhere. They have a nice football stadium, named after Johnny Unitas who was fundraising for naming rights when he passed. I would be happy if they were added as the campus is only a 15 minute drive for me, but I don't see it happening.
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The only MAAC team I would consider is Siena and I think it would be a better choice than Davidson.

I realize that URI did travel to Charlotte. It however would be nice to have some teams that were not as far a trip. Travel is a concern for other A-10 schools that don't have another team across town and a few others within relatively short bus rides.
...and no longer has to travel to Indianapolis or Cincinatti.

URI's travel arrangements actually have become easier this offseason.

I don't think many people would say that Siena is a better basketball add than Davidson. Sure Siena has a lot of great supporting factors, but basketball is about wins and losses. 6 of the last 10 seasons at Siena have been losing seasons and they were awful the last 3. Davidson has been to the NCAAs in 5 of the last 8 years in a very comparable conference to the MAAC.

That said, I think Siena is probably joining the A-10 anyway so you should be okay.

I don't think there is anyone else in your neck of the woods that really brings any real basketball value to the A-10 anyway.
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...and no longer has to travel to Indianapolis or Cincinatti.

URI's travel arrangements actually have become easier this offseason.

I don't think many people would say that Siena is a better basketball add than Davidson. Sure Siena has a lot of great supporting factors, but basketball is about wins and losses. 6 of the last 10 seasons at Siena have been losing seasons and they were awful the last 3. Davidson has been to the NCAAs in 5 of the last 8 years in a very comparable conference to the MAAC.

That said, I think Siena is probably joining the A-10 anyway so you should be okay.

I don't think there is anyone else in your neck of the woods that really brings any real basketball value to the A-10 anyway.
Not exactly in URI's neck of the woods, but definitely up north I think Iona brings basketball value. They got an at-large out of the MAAC 2 seasons ago which is practically unheard of and won the MAAC this past season. I agree though that up north it is mostly slim pickings.
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Iona's basketball facility is terrible or they'd probably already be in the A-10.
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Hynes is ridiculously awful. It's positively low-major in every way.

Iona's success is all Cluess built on transfers and JUCOs primarily. They have very little to sustain success if he leaves. I understand Siena, they have a lot of intangibles that will help them be successful long-term. Iona is not comparable IMO.
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Hynes is ridiculously awful. It's positively low-major in every way.

Iona's success is all Cluess built on transfers and JUCOs primarily. They have very little to sustain success if he leaves. I understand Siena, they have a lot of intangibles that will help them be successful long-term. Iona is not comparable IMO.
I am not advocating for Iona, I am not one to defend them much and I agree their facility is terrible, but they are not all Cluess. They have 1 more NCAA appearances since 2000 than Siena. Give Siena one more if you go back one more year, but then go back one more than that and Iona has one more.

Iona: 1979, 1980, 1984, 1985, 1998, 2000, 2001, 2006, 2012, 2013

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Towson plays football. I do not think they would want to let go of that. And I don't see Yeager and the CAA allowing them to keep their football there but move everything else to the A10.
The CAA Football Conference is a separate legal entity from the "full" CAA conference, so I'm fairly confident that it's possible to withdraw from the CAA without withdrawing from CAA Football. Most CAA Football members are NOT full members of the CAA, so they're not going to vote teams out for not being full CAA members.

Towson and Stony Brook are two programs that I wanted the the A10 to wait and watch before making a move. They're both on upward trajectories and have new/renovated arenas coming next season. It's definitely too soon to make commitments to them, but I didn't think any other candidate was such a slam dunk success of an addition that the A10 needed to act immediately. What's wrong with the Atlantic 10 having, worst case scenario, 10 members for a couple seasons? We haven't even dropped below 12 yet, and are already back to 13, with 14 probably on the way. If we'd dropped below 10, then absolutely GMU and/or Davidson needed to be added ASAP as the best prospects as of this exact second, but we weren't in that situation. Oh well, maybe they'll end up being the best longterm additions anyway.
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Re: A10 close to adding Davidson (for 2014)

Good points. I'm still not thrilled with Iona, but I can understand why others might be. From basketball standpoint they're better than Charleston so there's that.

That facility though *shudder*. It really is awful. Siena and Iona do have a bit of a rivalry in the MAAC though so there is that going for the A-10 if both are added. Quality regional rivalries are what make conference races exciting. With VCU-UR, Mason-GW, and the Big 5 intercity rivalry with La Salle and St. Joe's, we have some decent ones.
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Re: A10 close to adding Davidson (for 2014)

Iona's never won a postgame outside of the CIT. Siena has NCAA wins in 1989 (Stanford) 2002 (Play in round) 2008 (Vanderbilt) and 2009 (Ohio State) Plus 9 NIT wins since 1988 including the 1994 NIT Final Four. Iona really can't hold a candle to Siena overall.

IMHO.. After Mason and Davidson - Siena and Charleston would be the best add. I think Fairfield is more appealing than Iona but Iona has much more success.
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Good points. I'm still not thrilled with Iona, but I can understand why others might be. From basketball standpoint they're better than Charleston so there's that.

That facility though *shudder*. It really is awful. Siena and Iona do have a bit of a rivalry in the MAAC though so there is that going for the A-10 if both are added. Quality regional rivalries are what make conference races exciting. With VCU-UR, Mason-GW, and the Big 5 intercity rivalry with La Salle and St. Joe's, we have some decent ones.
Far for me to be one to defend Iona, so I am mostly playing devil's advocate, but Iona would also have a very good rivalry with Fordham as our campuses are only 10 miles apart.

Their facility would be the worst in the A10 though. I think it is easier to recruit to the MAAC with that facility and they would struggle to do so in the A10.
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Towson and Stony Brook are two programs that I wanted the the A10 to wait and watch before making a move. They're both on upward trajectories and have new/renovated arenas coming next season. It's definitely too soon to make commitments to them, but I didn't think any other candidate was such a slam dunk success of an addition that the A10 needed to act immediately. What's wrong with the Atlantic 10 having, worst case scenario, 10 members for a couple seasons? We haven't even dropped below 12 yet, and are already back to 13, with 14 probably on the way. If we'd dropped below 10, then absolutely GMU and/or Davidson needed to be added ASAP as the best prospects as of this exact second, but we weren't in that situation. Oh well, maybe they'll end up being the best longterm additions anyway.
Is it possible that there is something in our TV contract that requires a certain number of schools? Also, would GMU and Davidson be as quick to jump to the A10 if we were down to 10? Even if they were, I think they'd see that they had more negotiating power than they do now.
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Re: A10 close to adding Davidson (for 2014)

Davidson has the best "buzz" quotient of any potential add, so i like the addition from that standpoint.

My only question about Davidson is that I believe their basketball spending would rank near the bottom of the league (I think bottom 2 or 3). I wonder if they are committing to increasing their budget upon joining the league. That is the kind of thing that could determine post-McKillop whether they continue to succeed.
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Re: A10 close to adding Davidson (for 2014)

I'm pretty biased, but I don't think travel is all that much of a concern. It's about getting the best basketball programs the A-10 can get for their flagship sport.
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