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Old 03-20-2017, 04:00 PM   #31 (permalink)
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we have 43 credits you have 41
Thanks twisted3829. Another late night and just got in. Will have to fix it in the next week.
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You're over-thinking or focusing too much on details. The exact dollar figures are relatively trivial.

The NCAA is going to cut a check for the conference share, right?

The A-10 gets that money. They also get their money from their TV deals with NBC Sports & CBS Sports; And their checks from all their conference sponsors. They also have travel reimbursements from the NCAA. They also have conference tournament revenue from this year Pittsburgh.

But they also have the conference championship reimbursements to pay out to the hosts of other championships in A-10 sports. Where the host pays for stuff an the A-10 reimburses them.

And of course, the A-10 sends a rep to each NCAA site one of our schools are at; and the league deducts that cost from the NCAA share. And dues for each member of the league, whatever those are.

The conference will take all that money coming in, add up all the money they owe each member for the year; and they settle up with everyone at once, probably around late June.

So there's no real "NCAA Check" to each school. You're just trying to ballpark roughly how much of each school's "A-10 Check" is NCAA Unit revenue. Horseshoes & Hand grenade rules apply. Good work.
Thanks, re did the numbers a bit.

2012: 7 (Xavier 3, SLU 2, St. Bona. 1, Temple 1)
2013: 12 (LaSalle 4, SLU 2, Butler 2, Temple 2, VCU 2)
2014: 10 (Dayton 4, Saint Louis 2, St Joe's 1, VCU 1, UMass 1, GW 1)
2015: 5 (Dayton 3, VCU 1, Davidson 1)
2016: 5 (Dayton 1, VCU 2, St Joe's 2)
2017: 4 (Dayton 1, VCU 1, URI 2)
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Total 43 with 35 current and 8 departed members. 2012-2017

OK using jpsmack's numbers and please correct me, because I'm not 100% sure of the departed members credits go to the general fund and there are a few members entering later and gave them a full share to keep things simpler. Also Forbes said an NCAA credit was worth $250,106 in 2014, so figured the 255,379 would be close enough for 2016.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissm.../#429b03a332b0

43 units at $255,379 = $10,981,297

General fund the 8 plus 25% of 35 credits (2,234,566* + 2,043,032) = 4,277,598 divide by 14* teams = 305,543 each*

Code:
URI            2 (75% = 383,068) + $305,543 = $688,611#
St. Louis    6 (75% = 1,149,205) + $305,543 = $1,454,748
St. Bonnies    1 (75% = 191,534) + $305,543 = $497,077
LaSalle       4 (75% = 766,137)  + $305,543 = $1,071,680
VCU          7 (75% = 1,340,740) + $305,543 = $1,646,283
Dayton       9 (75% = 1,723,808) + $305,543 = $2,029,351
St Joes     3 (75% = 574,603)    + $305,543 = $880,146
UMass       1 (75% = 191,534)    + $305,543 = $497,077
G'Dub       1 (75% = 191,534)    + $305,543 = $497,077
Davidson    1 (75% = 191,534)    + $305,543 = $497,077
Duquesne                                    = $305,543
Fordham                                     = $305,543
GMU                                         = $305,543
Richmond                                    = $305,543
*Note this is rough as GMU, VCU, Davidson probably do not get the departed member share factor in.

# Rounded up for the pool so will not round up on the 75% of credits earned as well.

Used below link and then clicked on the teams to fill in 2015 and 2016.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_D..._10_Conference
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2013: 12 (LaSalle 4, SLU 2, Butler 2, Temple 2, VCU 2)
2014: 10 (Dayton 4, Saint Louis 2, St Joe's 1, VCU 1, UMass 1, GW 1)
2015: 5 (Dayton 3, VCU 1, Davidson 1)
2016: 5 (Dayton 1, VCU 2, St Joe's 2)
2017: 4 (Dayton 1, VCU 1, URI 2)
2018: 5 (URI 2, SBU 2, Davidson 1)
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41 credits (37 current and 4 departed)

I used $257,807 per unit, the 75/25 split and the 25 was split by the teams that did not make it, 4 abandon were split between everyone except Davidson and GMU

Code:
Team		Credits	Earned credits	Pool		Total
Dayton		9	$1,740,183.75	$201,166.02	$1,941,349.77
VCU		7	$1,353,476.25	$115,231.02	$1,468,707.27
URI		4	$773,415.00	$322,535.26 	$1,095,950.26
La Salle	4	$773,415.00	$289,333.10	$1,062,748.10
SLU		4	$773,415.00	$197,259.89	$970,674.89
St Joes		3	$580,061.25	$253,898.86	$833,960.11
St Bona		2	$386,707.50	$345,972.08	$732,679.58
Umass		1	$193,353.75	$283,194.89	$476,548.64
Davidson	2	$386,707.50	$52,732.84	$439,440.34
GW		1	$193,353.75	$283,194.89	$476,548.64
Duquesne	0	$0.00		$375,268.10	$375,268.10
Fordham		0	$0.00		$375,268.10	$375,268.10
Richmond	0	$0.00		$375,268.10	$375,268.10
George Mason	0	$0.00		$203,398.10	$203,398.10
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2013: 12 (LaSalle 4, SLU 2, Butler 2, Temple 2, VCU 2)
2014: 10 (Dayton 4, Saint Louis 2, St Joe's 1, VCU 1, UMass 1, GW 1)
2015: 5 (Dayton 3, VCU 1, Davidson 1)
2016: 5 (Dayton 1, VCU 2, St Joe's 2)
2017: 4 (Dayton 1, VCU 1, URI 2)
2018: 5 (URI 2, SBU 2, Davidson 1)
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41 credits (37 current and 4 departed)

I used $257,807 per unit, the 75/25 split and the 25 was split by the teams that did not make it, 4 abandon were split between everyone except Davidson and GMU

Code:
Team	        Credits	Earned credits	Pool		Total
Dayton	        9	$1,740,183.75	$52,732.84	$1,792,916.59
VCU	        7	$1,353,476.25	$85,935.00	$1,439,411.25
URI	        4	$773,415.00	$322,535.26 	$1,095,950.26
La Salle	4	$773,415.00	$289,333.10	$1,062,748.10
SLU	        4	$773,415.00	$197,259.89	$970,674.89
St Joes	        3	$580,061.25	$174,102.08	$754,163.33
St Bona	        2	$386,707.50	$203,398.10	$590,105.60
Umass	        1	$193,353.75	$283,194.89	$476,548.64
Davidson	2	$386,707.50	$52,732.84	$439,440.34
GW	        1	$193,353.75	$283,194.89	$476,548.64
Duquesne	0	$0.00		$375,268.10	$375,268.10
Fordham	        0	$0.00		$375,268.10	$375,268.10
Richmond	0	$0.00		$289,333.10	$289,333.10
George Mason	0	$0.00		$197,259.89	$197,259.89
Why does Richmond get less than Fordham and Duquesne?
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my excel messed up, sorry

I have updated everything (multiple teams were messed up when I reordered it)
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my excel messed up, sorry

I have updated everything (multiple teams were messed up when I reordered it)
I am getting slightly different numbers. I assume a share of units are only distributed to schools if they were earned after the school joined the conference, so units earned in 2012 are not shared with GMU or Davidson for example.

Code:
School	Pool	Earned	Total	Payout
Dayton	0.91	6.75	7.66	$1,974,642.37
VCU	0.95	5.25	6.20	$1,597,284.13
URI	1.01	3.00	4.01	$1,034,307.86
SLU	1.00	3.00	4.00	$1,031,678.71
LAS	1.00	3.00	4.00	$1,030,702.17
SJU	1.03	2.25	3.28	$845,497.29
SBU	1.05	1.50	2.55	$657,513.02
DAV	0.33	1.50	1.83	$470,993.56
UMass	1.07	0.75	1.82	$468,702.44
GW	1.07	0.75	1.82	$468,702.44
UR	1.09	0.00	1.09	$280,718.17
DUQ	1.09	0.00	1.09	$280,718.17
FOR	1.09	0.00	1.09	$280,718.17
GMU	0.57	0.00	0.57	$147,908.50
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I also did that the teams that made the tourney did not get part of the pool.

so for this year URI, SBU and Davidson get 75% of their units and the other 11 teams split the 25%
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I also did that the teams that made the tourney did not get part of the pool.

so for this year URI, SBU and Davidson get 75% of their units and the other 11 teams split the 25%
Ahhh, I see. I split each team's credits 75% earned, 25% gets split between the other 13 schools even if they also earned credits.
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Thanks guys,. The only suggestion for a validations is the payout column for each team totals to the same number give or take a little as 41 time $257,807 = 10,570,087.

Not to bad in 10.57 Million for a down year plus 5 Mill for TV contract.
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Thanks guys,. The only suggestion for a validations is the payout column for each team totals to the same number give or take a little as 41 time $257,807 = 10,570,087.

Not to bad in 10.57 Million for a down year plus 5 Mill for TV contract.
That’s what I was thinking, too. The A10 had a major rebuilding season, yet still managed to send three teams to the NCAAs, get two wins over the P5 while there, and take home five credits. By no means our best season, but considering where we thought we were in February or so, we’ll take it.
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I also did that the teams that made the tourney did not get part of the pool.

so for this year URI, SBU and Davidson get 75% of their units and the other 11 teams split the 25%
Is that definitely how it works? I have a vague recollection of this being discussed before. If those that make the dance only get 75% of their shares and nothing from the others that make the dance, wouldn't that mean that in a year that 6 teams make it (not common, but has happened) that the 8 that don't make it earn more than those who did or at least some of those who did? Seems to me it would be more than those who get in, but don't win a game. I am sure that is not likely the case and I just doing some bad math.
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That's interesting Ace, but I don't think it'll work.

If 6 teams played one game, each would get a credit of 75% of $1.7 million = $1,275,000

The other 8 teams (under your thoughts) would split: $1.7 million X .25 X 6 / 8 teams = $318,750 per team.

If the 6 teams played more than one game, it would seem the math would follow along.

Edit: it also seems likely there's another provision if 1 of the 6 goes to the E8 and the others play one game. Maybe the other 5 share part of the 25% of the 1's additional games. I sure don't know.
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no one truly knows how the A10 splits credits, the presumption for years has been a 75/25 split
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