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Old 06-29-2019, 04:16 AM   #1366 (permalink)
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UCONN basketball has a cumulative losing record in conference play over the past four seasons. They’ve finished 8th, 8th and 9th the past three seasons. That combined with no fan interest in most of the AAC has been a bad combination for attendance and athletic donations. They’ve also been spending money like drunken sailors. Add in the fact that they’ve never been happy and about being in the AAC and the move to the Big East makes sense even though it means putting football in a bad situation.

Hurley must have known this move to the Big East was in the works when he agreed to take the job. I don't believe he would have taken the job otherwise. Huge risk for little reward. Better opportunities would have come along.
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UCONN basketball has a cumulative losing record in conference play over the past four seasons. They’ve finished 8th, 8th and 9th the past three seasons. That combined with no fan interest in most of the AAC has been a bad combination for attendance and athletic donations. They’ve also been spending money like drunken sailors. Add in the fact that they’ve never been happy and about being in the AAC and the move to the Big East makes sense even though it means putting football in a bad situation.

Hurley must have known this move to the Big East was in the works when he agreed to take the job. I don't believe he would have taken the job otherwise. Huge risk for little reward. Better opportunities would have come along.
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UCONN basketball has a cumulative losing record in conference play over the past four seasons. They’ve finished 8th, 8th and 9th the past three seasons. That combined with no fan interest in most of the AAC has been a bad combination for attendance and athletic donations. They’ve also been spending money like drunken sailors. Add in the fact that they’ve never been happy and about being in the AAC and the move to the Big East makes sense even though it means putting football in a bad situation.
Their recent level of play has added greatly to their problems. Games against Tulane, and ECU were never going to draw well, but their recent poor play meant that games against attractive teams like Houston, drew less than they would have if they were battling for first place. The AAC badly needed UConn to continue to perform at a high level. It didn't happen. Conversely, with a bunch of small schools, the BE needed someone to step up, lest they get hit with the dreaded "mid major" label. Villanova stepped up big time. Reverse the performance of the two schools, and UConn is probably not making this move, at least not yet.
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Favor if at all possible a package deal with the MAC as football only invites with UConn and far less equal revenue share. A floor amount and what we earn. Post those on the csnbbs MAC board. Think we can compete in the MAC and at a financial level that is practical and there would be no tighter geographical FBS footprint of a division of 4 east Ohio teams, Western NY and Connecticut. (UConn, UMass, Buffalo, Ohio, Miami, Akron, and Kent State).

This scenario will be good for A10 BB fans as well.
https://csnbbs.com/thread-878028-pos...ml#pid16169329

Bob McGovern did an interesting article and agree we should get off the pot. Have concerns, but would support going to the AAC, which is highly unlikely IMHO. Feel it would be hard to compete in AAC Football and have to make huge capital commitments, which seems to be a stretch. Remember, my view is winning matters more than the conference.

https://247sports.com/college/massac...MAC-133179272/

My views are not popular on the UMass boards, especially when posting the "Benefits of the A10" on UMassHoops BB board. Which basically said that winning matters more than conference alignment for attendance and we have higher FB attendance compare to BB. That's with both programs down and 6 fb games to 18 bb games. Why should we keep screwing football in favor of basketball.
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BYU is the AAC’s top option but the odds of BYU joining the AAC as a football affiliate are extremely low. Football independence works for BYU financially and far more importantly not belonging to a G5 conference in that sport allows them to maintain the pretense that they are Utah’s peer in football. Maintaining the perception that BYU is Notre Dame lite is worth far more to BYU than other considerations.

The most likely outcome is that the AAC remains at 11 members. Army and BYU will turn them down and there likely isn’t a school that wants to join the AAC as a full member that the AAC would want to invite. The AAC will likely consider adding a twelfth member for Olympic sports and VCU would undoubtedly be at the top of the list. I think a key factor there will be whether ESPN wants the conference to replace the inventory lost with UCONN’s departure. If ESPN isn’t demanding more inventory my guess is that the AAC stays at 11 for Olympic sports.
Very high quality reasoning in this post.

Where I have mild disagreements is the nitty gritty of BYU's independence. While your comment on being Utah's peer is a keen observation, that's a benefit of Independence and not a reason for it.

BYU left the MWC because the LDS Church formed BYU-TV and they wanted BYU sports on it to further their evangelical mission. They couldn't put their football games on BYUTV in the MWC. They negotiated with ESPN to retain two home football games every year, giving the other five to ESPN.

Independence works for them financially. But that financial number is virtually the same as the AAC 12th slot, and retaining two football games for BYUTV is totally doable since ESPN has that clause with BYU as an independent already -- AND with Navy of the AAC for the Army-Navy game (owned by CBS) -- And the only thing that would change from an inventory perspective is "Getting Back the AAC Championship Game"

From ESPN's perspective:
BYU + AAC 11 Team football inventory: 5 total BYU home games, 44 AAC conference games, 28-32 AAC non-conference home games.

BYU in AAC 12 football inventory: 5 total BYU home games, 44 other AAC conference games, 28-32 AAC non-conference home games. AAC Championship Game.


The only real difference for anyone would be BYU has to get 4 football games on the schedule instead of 12. SMU and Tulsa were in the WAC with BYU before. Houston wasn't but Rice was. Tulane wasn't, but La Tech was. So it's not really unprecedented to play geography like that.

BYU would be given annual home and home series with SMU, Tulsa, Houston, Tulane and Memphis (Assuming Navy switches to the "East" with BYU's addition); and play three of UCF, USF, Temple, Cincinnati, Navy, ECU each year (home and away every six years).

And of course, it's silly to say "BYU has no interest in playing all those AAC teams" when they've booked future games with six AAC members including home and away with East Carolina and USF once over the next six years.


BYU does have some nice football games lined up that they'd have to push back or buyout. Which is where ESPN can come in. If they joined for 2021, BYU would have to cancel 22 or 23 games over four years. ESPN could pay half a million for each buyout for all those games… AND STILL SAVE MONEY over paying BYU independent and AAC Empty 12th slot $4.5 million each.
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UConn and UMass joining the MAC for football together makes SOME sense for both sides.

It gives UConn and UMass scheduling they desperately need.
It expands the MAC footprint into New England.

It makes the Division more geographically logical (Bowling Green joins the West, UMass/UConn to the East, leaving just one geographic outlier. There’d be a J on the map to divide the divisions instead of a sloppy S).



The big obstacle I’d see would be that UConn and UMass football only don’t bring enough value for ESPN to renegotiate, ESPN could probably just offer UConn a small amount for a couple football games and save money; UConn could sell their football games to ESPN and SNY for FAR MORE than the MAC payout (Which is $670,000 per team!)


Part of UConn’s displeasure with the AAC was the new ESPN deal took the rights that they had been selling to SNY.


When the AAC deal was announced, the other members celebrated and UConn officials blasted it. The AD, President, a school spokesperson and Geno Auriemma all made comments about it being “good for the AAC, but maybe not for UConn.”


And of course, if UConn and UMass don’t bring enough quality football to the inventory for ESPN to renegotiate, there’s no point in the MAC doing it.
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“The situation right now is we’re more likely to stand pat at 11,” Aresco reiterated while adding he anticipates a membership resolution by the AAC’s football media day July 15. “We can easily play football with 11. The Big Ten did it for 20 years with Penn State.

“We still want a championship game, and if we did it that way we would probably match the top two teams (doing away with the AAC’s current divisions in the process). That would enhance our championship game and give us a better shot at New Year’s bowls. You need a waiver from the NCAA to do that (that goes for any conference with fewer than 12 members), although we would fight hard for that.”


I'm not too worried about losing someone to an AAC slot. Although I still regret we didn't beat the AAC to adding Wichita State.
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“The situation right now is we’re more likely to stand pat at 11,” Aresco reiterated while adding he anticipates a membership resolution by the AAC’s football media day July 15. “We can easily play football with 11. The Big Ten did it for 20 years with Penn State.

“We still want a championship game, and if we did it that way we would probably match the top two teams (doing away with the AAC’s current divisions in the process). That would enhance our championship game and give us a better shot at New Year’s bowls. You need a waiver from the NCAA to do that (that goes for any conference with fewer than 12 members), although we would fight hard for that.”


I'm not too worried about losing someone to an AAC slot. Although I still regret we didn't beat the AAC to adding Wichita State.
Don't know if the A10 is attractive enough for Wichita to make that move. They would be such an outlier. 441 miles to St. Louis, and that's their closest trip. Duquesne only has two trips farther than that, SLU, and URI. Dayton is 800 miles from Wichita, and Pittsburgh is over 1,000 miles. At least in the AAC, Dallas is only 365, Houston 602, Cincy 782, Memphis 577, and Tulsa a busable 175. Add in that even without UConn; Cincy, Houston, and Memphis are better right now, and have better pedigrees than any team in the A10, and it's pretty much a no brainer that the AAC is a better fit.
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If I'm an A-10 school, I'm not so sure I would want to go to a conference where a number of its members have their bags packed and one foot out the door for the P5. The AAC is a Rand McNally nightmare and expensive travel wise for the non-revenue team sports.
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If I'm an A-10 school, I'm not so sure I would want to go to a conference where a number of its members have their bags packed and one foot out the door for the P5. The AAC is a Rand McNally nightmare and expensive travel wise for the non-revenue team sports.
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If I'm an A-10 school, I'm not so sure I would want to go to a conference where a number of its members have their bags packed and one foot out the door for the P5. The AAC is a Rand McNally nightmare and expensive travel wise for the non-revenue team sports.
Yep! Made sense for Wichita, but not for any A10 school.
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I wonder if Air Force might be a consideration for the AAC as a football only member?

The Falcons' other sports could go WCC. You know, assuming Gonzaga was okay with it.
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I wonder if Air Force might be a consideration for the AAC as a football only member?

The Falcons' other sports could go WCC. You know, assuming Gonzaga was okay with it.
No public schools in the WCC, right? Also, I’m not convinced that the AFA would be better off playing AAC over MWC football.

I could see the WCC take a look at Grand Canyon... assuming they are committed to being an entirely non-profit institution.
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No public schools in the WCC, right? Also, I’m not convinced that the AFA would be better off playing AAC over MWC football.



I could see the WCC take a look at Grand Canyon... assuming they are committed to being an entirely non-profit institution.
Grand Canyon switched back to non profit status in the past year or two.

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No public schools in the WCC, right? Also, I’m not convinced that the AFA would be better off playing AAC over MWC football.

I could see the WCC take a look at Grand Canyon... assuming they are committed to being an entirely non-profit institution.
There aren't public schools in the WCC, but there also weren't any Mormon or Secular schools either until BYU and Pacific.

Air Force isn't private, but saying it's a public school like Cal State Fullerton is a public school is also kind of misleading. I don't think it would a massive stretch for the WCC to take a Service Academy.
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