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Old 02-09-2016, 07:46 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Re: 2015-16 A-10 Mid-Season Awards

Neubauer racked up wins OOC by playing essentially the easiest OOC schedule in all of D1 basketball. The only teams he has beaten in conference are the 3 worst teams. Sure Fordham is moving up in the world, they are ~10th in the A10 instead of 12/13/14th, but how can anyone justify him deserving COY honors?

I also don't see it for Ferry. He has had 4 years to build his team, he isn't coaching someone else's players. He also racked up a ton of OOC wins by playing a really weak schedule and the only decent team he has beaten in the A10 in Saint Bonaventure. 4 of his 5 A10 wins come from the 4 worst teams in the conference.

Sure these guys are getting more wins for their teams than they have in the past, but they are doing it through scheduling right now, not coaching per se. Maybe next year.
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Archie might have the best team from 1 through 8 in the conference. He deserves credit because he obviously put this team together. It doesn't make him coach of the year.
I've never really understood this logic. You recruit and develop a team that succeeds, yet can't be COY because people thought you'd be good? Are we pretending Dayton can't exceed expectations because the groupthink of 20 some people picked them first?

There are valid reasons why several coaches are deserving. Wade, Martelli, and Schmidt are doing fantastic work, but limiting the logic to "we didn't think you'd be quite this good" is just silly.

Right now my first team would be Cooke, Gibbs, Adams, Bembry, and Garino.
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Anybody have a worthy 6th man POY?
Well...we did, but Wade called us on it...
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When it comes to the COY award, everyone wants it both ways.

"We have the most talent!"
"Our budget is bigger than yours!"
"Our dicks are biggest!"

In the same breath...

"Our coach is the best and should win the award!"

If Mark Schmidt deals with such insurmountable obstacles based on budget and location (he doesn't), then how isn't he the runaway COY?
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There is still plenty of games to play.

Schmidt, Martelli, Wade, Archie, Ferry are all in the conversation at the very least.
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I agree with Adam here. Why shouldn't Archie get COY? Sometimes, when you're picked 1st, following through (potentially in dominating fashion) is impressive. Wade has done great, he survives Shaka departure and is tied for 1st, and on his way to a bid.

Should Schmidt get it because he's exceeding expectations? What - the 8th place prediction, which most people thought was too low to begin with? So if they finish 4th or 5th, and maybe squeeze an NIT resume, is that COY material? Toss finishing ahead of URI out the window - they got decimated. We aren't grading on a curve here. Same call on Martelli and the Hawks.

There's nothing wrong with handing COY to the guy who wins the conference. He's obviously doing a bang-up job.
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I agree with Adam here. Why shouldn't Archie get COY? Sometimes, when you're picked 1st, following through (potentially in dominating fashion) is impressive. Wade has done great, he survives Shaka departure and is tied for 1st, and on his way to a bid.

Should Schmidt get it because he's exceeding expectations? What - the 8th place prediction, which most people thought was too low to begin with? So if they finish 4th or 5th, and maybe squeeze an NIT resume, is that COY material? Toss finishing ahead of URI out the window - they got decimated. We aren't grading on a curve here. Same call on Martelli and the Hawks.

There's nothing wrong with handing COY to the guy who wins the conference. He's obviously doing a bang-up job.
I'm not even saying Archie *should* win, it's too early for that, but I just don't get the logic many use in determining their COY.

The coach who does the best job is the coach who does the best job. There is rarely one correct answer. Right now, you'd have 4 guys to pick and none would be an inherently wrong answer. Just be intellectually honest in your process.
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I also don't see it for Ferry. He has had 4 years to build his team, he isn't coaching someone else's players. He also racked up a ton of OOC wins by playing a really weak schedule and the only decent team he has beaten in the A10 in Saint Bonaventure. 4 of his 5 A10 wins come from the 4 worst teams in the conference.

I will get excoriated by other Duquesne fans, but I agree with the above sentiments. This team still has to prove that it is .500 team in conference. Have we really set the bar so low that a 5-5 conference record would garner a COY thought after 4 years? (That was a rhetorical question, assholes!) We've only beaten one top 100 team so far this year. Still have room for growth this year and in the future. Getting some kind of postseason bid would be a huge plus.

As much as I hate to say it, COY would be a battle between Martelli and Miller right now
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I also don't see it for Ferry. ... 4 of his 5 A10 wins come from the 4 worst teams in the conference.
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Well, not really since they haven't played UMass yet, but the overall point is correct.
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As much as I hate to say it, COY would be a battle between Martelli and Miller right now
Don't see how Schmidt isn't in the discussion.
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I'm not even saying Archie *should* win, it's too early for that, but I just don't get the logic many use in determining their COY.

The coach who does the best job is the coach who does the best job. There is rarely one correct answer. Right now, you'd have 4 guys to pick and none would be an inherently wrong answer. Just be intellectually honest in your process.
Archie is the best coach in the conference right now. That's intellectually honest. Saying that he isn't coach of the year isn't being intellectually dishonest. It's an opinion.
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Don't see how Schmidt isn't in the discussion.
He is an excellent coach.
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He is an excellent coach.
If a coach always "exceeds expectations", shouldn't there be a new baseline?

I've fully warmed up to Schmidt. I'm happy he's here, I don't want him to go elsewhere. But I'm sick of SBU being graded on a curve. No participation trophies.
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If a coach always "exceeds expectations", shouldn't there be a new baseline?

I've fully warmed up to Schmidt. I'm happy he's here, I don't want him to go elsewhere. But I'm sick of SBU being graded on a curve. No participation trophies.
I totally agree. The point of my post above was to point out how many here and in the national media want it both ways. As Bona fans, we know that we are in a unique situation as a school/program. It isn't for everyone, but a lot of people fall in love with it--including players. Schmidt should be judged on even footing with any other coach in this league. He isn't perfect, but he has figured out the keys to success at SBU.
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If a coach always "exceeds expectations", shouldn't there be a new baseline?

I've fully warmed up to Schmidt. I'm happy he's here, I don't want him to go elsewhere. But I'm sick of SBU being graded on a curve. No participation trophies.
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I totally agree. The point of my post above was to point out how many here and in the national media want it both ways. As Bona fans, we know that we are in a unique situation as a school/program. It isn't for everyone, but a lot of people fall in love with it--including players. Schmidt should be judged on even footing with any other coach in this league. He isn't perfect, but he has figured out the keys to success at SBU.
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