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Old 02-10-2016, 09:46 AM   #61 (permalink)
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If a coach always "exceeds expectations", shouldn't there be a new baseline?

I've fully warmed up to Schmidt. I'm happy he's here, I don't want him to go elsewhere. But I'm sick of SBU being graded on a curve. No participation trophies.
55', Archie will not be using a curve a week from this Saturday at the Arena.

In all seriousness, I doubt that Schmidt's peers view him as that "over achieving guy from little ole St. Bonaventure". I am not surprised by how well the Bonnie's are playing this year. Everyone was bemoaning the loss of Ndoye, but when I saw the Bonnie's at the Arena last year, I thought that they played better with him on the bench. What is never mentioned is that, in my opinion, Scmidt is building a program. Don't get your panties in a wad, but this is harder to do at St. Bonaventure, than say a UD or VCU where they are putting millions in to the program. Last year's graduating class was the foundation, a player like Posley is the next block, and then there is Adams and the young freshman point guard who are the future. This is the difference between excellent coaches and good coaches that win once every 3 to 4 years because they have teams that are top heavy with upperclassmen. This is what I like about the UD Program now. Look at how many games Archie has won over the last years, with only five players graduating (100% graduation rate, so don't take that route because I remember the two that were arrested). VCU has it. Xavier was the prime example. I look for the Bonnie's to be one of the "next man "up programs. Getting in to the NIT or NCAA this year, and winning some games would help too.
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55', Archie will not be using a curve a week from this Saturday at the Arena.

In all seriousness, I doubt that Schmidt's peers view him as that "over achieving guy from little ole St. Bonaventure".
Mike Lonergan has repeatedly made reference to Schmidt as being possibly the best coach in the league.

I can appreciate the not wanting to be graded on a curve concept, but the fact is, after following the A-10 for more than 25 years, Bona coach should be graded on a curve. It's just not an easy place to win, as the last 25 years show (I think 2 NCAAs, but could be wrong). I realize the welding scandal set the program back several years, but throughout the 90s and since the scandal, it's been a tough place to produce a consistent NCAA team. Plus, Bona has the same problem a lot of the A-10 schools have, which is that if a coach is successful, there's a good chance he gets hired away.

I think fans from schools like Richmond, Bona, and even GW (despite 9 NCAAs in 23 years) and St. Joe's (where Martelli has basically had 3 or 4 NCAA teams and two tourney runs, but it's only every few years that they get to the tourney and the fans don't like the down periods while waiting for the special years) have to accept that even a good coach isn't likely to get your team to the tourney every year and the coach has to be graded on a curve - perhaps a different curve for each situation, but a curve nonetheless.

Take Duquesne, for example. In my opinion, Duqs were doing quite well under Ron Everhart. They were a top 100 KenPom team (don't have RPI data handy) in 3 out of 5 years and made 2 or 3 NITs, I believe. But that wasn't enough - never mind the program hadn't been to the NCAAs since the 70s (and I believe only 2 NITs in the 20 years prior to hiring Everhart). So they fired him and brought in Jim Ferry, who is a solid coach in his own right, but not an upgrade. We're in Year 4 of Ferry and they haven't sniffed an NIT, let alone an NCAA or even a top 100 KenPom finish. I always thought there must have been a behind-the-scenes reason for firing Everhart (personality clash with administration maybe?), but if you take them at face value that they were tired of grading on a curve and wanted a coach to get them to the NCAA, well, they blew it. Should have stuck with the guy who was getting you to the NCAA and top 100, and hoped for that one special year where he does just enough to get them over the hump.

As flawed as Martelli is, I'd say if he were to leave after this year, St. Joe's would be lucky to have even the sporadic highs under their next coach. Same for Schmidt, Mooney, Lonergan, and probably others in the league right now.
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I can appreciate the not wanting to be graded on a curve concept, but the fact is, after following the A-10 for more than 25 years, Bona coach should be graded on a curve.
Curve this:

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Mike Lonergan has repeatedly made reference to Schmidt as being possibly the best coach in the league.
COY award aside, who do people think is the best coach in the league right now? I don't see how its not Archie Miller. I'm biased, but I think he is a top 10 coach in the country.
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But only top 15 on the road.
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Old 02-10-2016, 02:40 PM   #66 (permalink)
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But only top 15 on the road.
The original post - that you are attempting to mock with your post above - was that Dayton was a Top 15 team in the country on their home floor. Hard to argue, right? Which is why this doesn't seem to be a very funny joke. But carry on.
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A previous BI85 would have loved bill's post and told FQ to fuck off. But honestly man, you nailed it.
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The original post - that you are attempting to mock with your post above - was that Dayton was a Top 15 team in the country on their home floor. Hard to argue, right? Which is why this doesn't seem to be a very funny joke. But carry on.
No, I believe the genesis of this mocking post was a post from earlier this season that referred to William & Mary as a Top 15 road team after a close loss on Dayton's "home floor". Other than that, I'm with you,

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No, I believe the genesis of this mocking post was a post from earlier this season that referred to William & Mary as a Top 15 road team after a close loss on Dayton's "home floor". Other than that, I'm with you,

'hawk, carry on.
Res, the whole top 15 road team schtick is growing old man. I suggest that you consider that we were Duquesne's Super Bowl last night. It's tough being the rest of this league's game of the year. No grading on curves at the Arena for all of you bastards.
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[QUOTE=Free Quebec;14173833]

Take Duquesne, for example... /QUOTE]

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Four years later and that's still too raw for many Dukes fans to be able to speak about with civility. And that comes down on both sides of the equation, so I'll let it go in this thread.

I agree with your assessment of a built in curve for some programs in general and with your assessment of Schmidt in particular. I have consistently been impressed with the product he has put out on the floor. He has a good eye for how players can work together and his teams consistently get better as the year goes on. I don't know that he pushes the ceiling higher, but he is a very good coach of basketball.
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Yeah. What a miracle worker. We're just a regular Hellen Keller of a school and program. With this "curve", where does that leave some of our brethren in this league? Below zero? F-minus?

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Yeah. What a miracle worker. We're just a regular Hellen Keller of a school and program. With this "curve", where does that leave some of our brethren in this league? Below zero? F-minus?

*Insert jack off hand gesture and eye roll*

I'm sorry. I forgot all the students at Duke and Gonzaga were wearing Bona sweatshirts.

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Yeah. What a miracle worker. We're just a regular Hellen Keller of a school and program. With this "curve", where does that leave some of our brethren in this league? Below zero? F-minus?

*Insert jack off hand gesture and eye roll*
Jesus Christ Bill, you Olean Boys are testy mothers. What's up with the Helen Keller microaggression? I'd wager that Helen and four friends could take Dr. G. At Gola.
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I think FQ nailed it and I'd add that in the case of Schmidt this year I'm not ure what the curve is we need to be talking about. AT THIS POINT in the season I can't see why Schmidt isn't in the discussion. He just went into Philly and beat Martelli who everyone seems to agree is in the COY discussion.
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I think FQ nailed it and I'd add that in the case of Schmidt this year I'm not ure what the curve is we need to be talking about. AT THIS POINT in the season I can't see why Schmidt isn't in the discussion. He just went into Philly and beat Martelli who everyone seems to agree is in the COY discussion.
And then Martelli went into DC and beat Lonergan, a COY candidate, who himself went to Richmond and beat Wade, a COY candidate, who himself went to Philly and beat Martelli, a COY candidate.
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