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Old 04-19-2018, 05:55 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Old 04-19-2018, 06:33 AM   #47 (permalink)
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I don't know if you are implying that your sources think legal action will be taken or not, but if Richmond did as you and others are suggesting (dismissed Buck as retaliation for asking for his release, or blackmailed him with failed drug tests to make him stay on the roster) those would be both serious crimes committed by Richmond and legal action should be taken (along with a cleaning of house of anyone involved.) I would like to think that my school would be above such petty and criminal acts, it would be completely unacceptable.
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I am saying this is not over. I am sure UR will deny and say they cannot talk about it but emails and other things are public record.

Let me ask you, how many athletes do you think smoke reefer? I do not see many dismissals due to weed. Do you? If failed ganja tests resulted in dismissal there would not be any college football or basketball or baseball or name the sport. Buck is a good kid from a good family and I can bet this story is not finished. It may become a he said she said type thing but what they did to him is horrible. All just to keep him and when that did not happen to save face at his expense.
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I think I had a post that disappeared.

Anyway, this all makes no sense. Once an athlete indicates he wants to transfer, how many schools really want that person on their team?
There are rules in place to keep him from transferring to a competitor.
But what do you gain from keeping him? Nothing. He's not going to contribute the way you need.
So what's the point in "blackmailing" him to stay.
Something just doesn't make sense here.
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Money makes people do strange things. Mooney is/was backed into a corner. The mob is outside his door with torches and pitchforks. Maybe he made a decision without thinking it through. If so, that decision will snowball and finally lead to his dismissal.

I'm hoping anyway.................
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I am saying this is not over. I am sure UR will deny and say they cannot talk about it but emails and other things are public record.

Let me ask you, how many athletes do you think smoke reefer? I do not see many dismissals due to weed. Do you? If failed ganja tests resulted in dismissal there would not be any college football or basketball or baseball or name the sport. Buck is a good kid from a good family and I can bet this story is not finished. It may become a he said she said type thing but what they did to him is horrible. All just to keep him and when that did not happen to save face at his expense.
Richmond has dismissed players for weed before, key players in the middle of the season. Most recently was Derrick Williams.

I do not doubt that most players smoke, and I don't think that it should be illegal or grounds for dismissal. I don't make the rules for Richmond though, Richmond has a set of rules and it seems like they stick to them despite the damage it does to the program.
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Williams had another incident besides the weed situation that was the main reason for his departure. The weed was the assumed reason. It's in the past, so no reason to discuss it any further.

I wonder if Mooney and staff are begging Paul Friendshuh to come back for his final year. That is their best option at the moment.
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Richmond has dismissed players for weed before, key players in the middle of the season. Most recently was Derrick Williams.

I do not doubt that most players smoke, and I don't think that it should be illegal or grounds for dismissal. I don't make the rules for Richmond though, Richmond has a set of rules and it seems like they stick to them despite the damage it does to the program.
But if he had stayed they would have overlooked those rules. At least that is what I heard.
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But if he had stayed they would have overlooked those rules. At least that is what I heard.
Again, if that is true then Buck needs to sue and people need to be fired. Blackmail is completely unacceptable.
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He should have released him. If Mooney had problems with recruiting before this situation, he will really have some now. He and his staff might get blackballed on the recruiting circuit. If I were his staff, I'd be updating my resumes and sending out feelers for other opportunities.
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Unless the young man is to be charged with some felony or committed a serious breach the University's Student Code of Conduct, AND there was an effort to 'extort' him, it's hard to believe the program and Mooney come out of this unscathed.

If a player is dismissed, do they lose their scholarship immediately, or do they get to finish out the semester?
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Again, if that is true then Buck needs to sue and people need to be fired. Blackmail is completely unacceptable.
Good luck with getting the school to talk. Hopefully he saved his texts or was wearing a wire the other week at practice. Makes no sense to dismiss the kid especially when he wanted a release. Does it make sense to you? He will have a bunch of offers so he will land on his feet.
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Good luck with getting the school to talk. Hopefully he saved his texts or was wearing a wire the other week at practice. Makes no sense to dismiss the kid especially when he wanted a release. Does it make sense to you? He will have a bunch of offers so he will land on his feet.
What doesn't make sense to me is blackmailing Buck. Not only is it morally corrupt, there is nothing to gain from it, and a ton to lose by blackmailing a player. There is no face saved dismissing a player vs. letting them transfer, in fact dismissing a player seems like a bigger black eye on the program to me.
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I'm going to refuse to believe Mooney is that dumb until proven otherwise.
(Face it, I've been wrong a lot. Another one won't hurt me.)

But who does that? Really?

"Coach, I'm want to transfer to another school for (insert reason)."
"No, I'm not going to sign a release. You've been doing pot, so I'll hold that over your head. You're playing here next year."
"Fine coach, but if I'm here next year can you just imagine what my effort level is really going to be?"
"OK then, you're dismissed from the team."

Come on. Who does that?
Also, in the original article it said he would be staying to finish the academic semester.
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It sure looks like desperation to me. Not, "thanks for your time here. We'll survive. Good luck in the future. Next man up."
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