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Unread 03-28-2019, 01:11 PM   #211 (permalink)
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SJU's AD is a legit joke.

Between hiring Lange, having to issue a statement about not granting players release, the press release for the new coach with two paragraphs about Phil.

Talk about being disingenuous.
Pot meet kettle. WTF? How can someone from LaSalle even think about criticizing another A10 program?
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Pot meet kettle. WTF? How can someone from LaSalle even think about criticizing another A10 program?
Because us from bad programs know bad when we see bad. I donít see an issue in calling them out on it.
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Because us from bad programs know bad when we see bad. I donít see an issue in calling them out on it.
I agree with you.

Little about this has gone well.

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Because us from bad programs know bad when we see bad. I donít see an issue in calling them out on it.
I disagree. Itís not bad seeing bad, itís bad getting satisfaction from a rivalís misery.

To me this seems like an uninspiring hire that many SJU people donít like. I donít know much about Billy Lange but I will say that Archie Miller wasnít an inspiring hire to many UD fans either. I suspect that the Philadelphia media is more than happy to take advantage of any little tid bit of information that can make the SJU admistration look bad. I canít imagine that the new ADís tenure at SJU will be long lived if she fired Phil and hired the next Jim OíBrien.
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I disagree. Itís not bad seeing bad, itís bad getting satisfaction from a rivalís misery.



To me this seems like an uninspiring hire that many SJU people donít like. I donít know much about Billy Lange but I will say that Archie Miller wasnít an inspiring hire to many UD fans either. I suspect that the Philadelphia media is more than happy to take advantage of any little tid bit of information that can make the SJU admistration look bad. I canít imagine that the new ADís tenure at SJU will be long lived if she fired Phil and hired the next Jim OíBrien.
I mean, they absolutely burned the bridge between the institution and the greatest player the school ever saw, so it's hard to blame the media for that happening.

If this hire fails, the AD and President will be gone in a few years. The coach will follow a year or two after that. All of a sudden it's a decade from now and we're doing the Fordham thing. No offense, Fordham, but that's pretty much the playbook (except for the AD and President getting fired. That doesn't seem to happen up there).
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13, to be fair there's a difference between Fordham and SJU.. Fordham doesn't care. Academically they are a few steps above a basketball program determining the fate of a president. And they have that pesky little football problem, probably leaving the AD above job security depending on BB as well.

It looks like an uninspired hire. On paper his track record is subpar. But who knows. I mean really, what credentials did Nelson actually have? If he's as great a guy as everyone says he is, he'll understand why he isn't HC. He needs time. I hope Lange reaches out and gets him on staff.

These things have a funny way of working sometimes. You got a guy with experience for better or worse. I wouldn't sound the death knell just yet.
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I disagree. Itís not bad seeing bad, itís bad getting satisfaction from a rivalís misery.

To me this seems like an uninspiring hire that many SJU people donít like. I donít know much about Billy Lange but I will say that Archie Miller wasnít an inspiring hire to many UD fans either. I suspect that the Philadelphia media is more than happy to take advantage of any little tid bit of information that can make the SJU admistration look bad. I canít imagine that the new ADís tenure at SJU will be long lived if she fired Phil and hired the next Jim OíBrien.
I did not feel A10La Salle55 as taking satisfaction in this. One of us got a wrong read on that.
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Archie was an assistance under Herb, his brother, and Thad Matta. He more than deserved a chance to coach at Dayton. Lange and Archie's resumes couldn't be more different.

Lange was an assistant coach under Speedy Morris (under his worse years), Jay Wright (during some not so great years), had a sub.500 record at Navy, got fired and has been mediocre with the Sixers.

There is nothing inspiring about the hire.

I said earlier I don't want SJU to be bad. The Philly media doesn't go around making it's universities look bad. The situation was handled poorly, Phil's actions made it worse and that's what got reported.

I hope I'm wrong and this turns out to be decent for them at the very least. Still want to beat them every time we play them, but there is nothing to boast about beating a bad SJU team.

Ace is right. Bad programs know when they make bad moves. La Salle hasn't been great. They had a very fortunate hand when they hired Bill Bradshaw, who probably was over qualified to be La Salle's AD and we were able to hire Ashley Howard. Solid chance we don't land Howard if URI didn't go with Dave Cox. Howard may not turn out to be the guy but from an optics standpoint, La Salle happened to be in the right situation at the right time and made the best possible decision.
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Archie was an assistance under Herb, his brother, and Thad Matta. He more than deserved a chance to coach at Dayton. Lange and Archie's resumes couldn't be more different.

Lange was an assistant coach under Speedy Morris (under his worse years), Jay Wright (during some not so great years), had a sub.500 record at Navy, got fired and has been mediocre with the Sixers.

There is nothing inspiring about the hire.

I said earlier I don't want SJU to be bad. The Philly media doesn't go around making it's universities look bad. The situation was handled poorly, Phil's actions made it worse and that's what got reported.

I hope I'm wrong and this turns out to be decent for them at the very least. Still want to beat them every time we play them, but there is nothing to boast about beating a bad SJU team.

Ace is right. Bad programs know when they make bad moves. La Salle hasn't been great. They had a very fortunate hand when they hired Bill Bradshaw, who probably was over qualified to be La Salle's AD and we were able to hire Ashley Howard. Solid chance we don't land Howard if URI didn't go with Dave Cox. Howard may not turn out to be the guy but from an optics standpoint, La Salle happened to be in the right situation at the right time and made the best possible decision.
Youíre correct about Archieís pedigree, but most UD fans wanted an experienced HC, and many talking heads felt Dayton was too big for a very young assistant coach. It turned out well on the court and Archieís success is directly responsible for a major increase in financial commitment. You just never know. I donít believe the AD and President at SJU are stupid. They have to realize the implications of replacing Phil with a dumpster fire.
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I'm not sure what 55 could be referring to. I assume it's the student newspaper article (linked below) that was published last night, where she said she would grant releases to every player who wants one.

From what I've heard, one of the 2019 recruits has been given a release while another hasn't. That is merely a rumor so it's unfair to comment beyond that.

https://www.sjuhawknews.com/?p=12414
I meant to post this the other day, but did not have the time to verify what I thought was a fairly new rule in the NCAA.

Current players no longer need permission from their current school to transfer, so who knows where that rumor started, that 55 heard elsewhere. A recruit who has signed an NLI does need a release however, but that is b/c it is a rule of the NLI, not the NCAA.

One thing I am not clear on is if the transfer portal that was so well publicized with football transfers, is also in use and readily available for basketball.
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I meant to post this the other day, but did not have the time to verify what I thought was a fairly new rule in the NCAA.

Current players no longer need permission from their current school to transfer, so who knows where that rumor started, that 55 heard elsewhere. A recruit who has signed an NLI does need a release however, but that is b/c it is a rule of the NLI, not the NCAA.

One thing I am not clear on is if the transfer portal that was so well publicized with football transfers, is also in use and readily available for basketball.
Not sure if this is what you're referring to, but VC updates the transfer list regularly
https://www.verbalcommits.com/transfers/2019
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Not sure if this is what you're referring to, but VC updates the transfer list regularly
https://www.verbalcommits.com/transfers/2019
That's a good list, but not exactly what I was referring to.

I could be wrong, but I thought that in football the transfer portal list was readily available. At minimum, I do recall often hearing/seeing that so-and-so has entered their name into the transfer portal and at other times that a certain player had removed their name from the transfer portal. I do not hear/see that same direct mention in hoops.
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That's a good list, but not exactly what I was referring to.

I could be wrong, but I thought that in football the transfer portal list was readily available. At minimum, I do recall often hearing/seeing that so-and-so has entered their name into the transfer portal and at other times that a certain player had removed their name from the transfer portal. I do not hear/see that same direct mention in hoops.
Ah ok. I don't follow college football, so I'm not sure about that. I have heard mention to a portal for basketball, but haven't seen anything other than sites like VC that list them.
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