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Old 03-28-2005, 07:34 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Just being realistic. Twin has been here for 4 years, and has started for 3. They invested a lot of money in him last summer. His intangibles are worth a lot in this system.

It would be hard not to start Abdur-Rahim, but getting him seems very unlikely. As I said, Marshall might be a better fit as a go-to guy for the 2nd unit. He would definitely see time with the 1st unut, but I don't him as an obvious starter over Collins.

Swift? He's surely athletic, but what has he done to prove he's a starter for a contending team? His last 3 games: DNP-CD, 2 min, 10 min. Something seems amiss there.
You have to be either stupid or VERY stupid to start Collins over Marshall.
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You have to be either stupid or VERY stupid to start Collins over Marshall.

Marshall will come off the bench because he can't defend like Twin does. With RJ, Kidd, and Carter on the floor we don't need a 4th shooter. Marshall would be a great 6th man.
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You have to be either stupid or VERY stupid to start Collins over Marshall.
Care to actually make a point that addresses my reasons?
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Care to actually make a point that addresses my reasons?
I didn't mean that you are stupid. I meant that if a coach start Collins over Marshall he's crazy.

I know that you think that Marshall will play his best as a G2G off the bench, and that he will be a great 6th man, and even if it's true, it's sad to see Collins play PF. Marshall is simply a much better player and Collins is not a PF. It won't solve our rebounding problems, too.
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marshall has been a starter pretty much in every season except for this one. i think he prefers to go to another team because he can get more minutes...he may make a good 6th man, but he prefers to start.
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Marshall will come off the bench because he can't defend like Twin does. With RJ, Kidd, and Carter on the floor we don't need a 4th shooter. Marshall would be a great 6th man.
Twin is such a great defender. Marshall can play some nice low post D, and he's a MUCH MUCH better offensive player and rebounder.
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marshall has been a starter pretty much in every season except for this one. i think he prefers to go to another team because he can get more minutes...he may make a good 6th man, but he prefers to start.
Another point I support. Do you guys think that he will be very exited about coming off the bench?
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Collins lacks three qualities that I would want in a starting PF.

First, he struggles to finish at the rim. No disrespect, but he may be the most blocked player in the league. When he goes up for a layup in traffic its a bonus if the basketball goes in the hoop. Now the Nets do not need a scorer from their 4, but that 4 needs to be able to finish at the rim....especially with great passers in Carter and Kidd.
I don't know how we can win with a PF that scores with such low percentages, that is 2/3 baskets 4/6 points a night we lose...

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