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Old 07-03-2002, 11:13 AM   #16 (permalink)
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hey ok i found the link on ESPN with his interview on why he was fired, all of you go here and select your connection speed and it will play:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/broad...se?id=1382963#
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This will probably be cleared up once and for all after the first home game. The intro will probably be completely different. Complete w/ some hip-hop track and shots of the Bulls players dunking. In other words, a different direction.

If it's still the Alan Parsons Project and the same type of video footage of a Bull running down the street then I guess he was fired for other reasons.

What do you guys think the new intro will be like? My dream of keeping the same music but instead having footage of Jerry Krause running throughout Chicago in a suit probably won't be realized. (The beauty of this sick fantasy would be when it gets to the footage of krause running up to the UNited Center the real Krause runs onto the gym floor. People in the UC would be utterly speechless at this horror.)

I have a fear that it is going to be shots of the guys dunking and typical crap like everyone else.
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Old 07-03-2002, 11:17 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Thanks for the clip, Hawk, but nowhere in it does it indicate what the reason was the Clay was fired.
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he said he thinks it was because he wanted to give MJ his USUAL intro
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Old 07-03-2002, 11:23 AM   #20 (permalink)
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hey ok i found the link on ESPN with his interview on why he was fired, all of you go here and select your connection speed and it will play:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/broad...se?id=1382963#
It won't play for me.
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Old 07-03-2002, 11:27 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Krause and wether he fired Clay or not.

Krause runs the team. The Marketing guy answers to him and even if it was the marketing guy that pulled the trigger it is naive to think it was done with out Krause being in the know. All I need to do is look at what JK is in the organization to know what he is capable of doing.

I say Krause because I fully believe it is synonymous with the Bulls organiaztion and Krause may not own the club but he is the guy right under the guy.

I think clay has every right to voice his opinnon when asked. He was asked his personal feelings about the matter, not his professional opinion. He gave his personal feelings that he wanted to give MJ a trbute and announce him like he had when he played for the Bulls. This was vetoed and he did it the way he was asked. Now if he had rebeled and did it anyway, I could see him getting fired for it. His comments were more about what he wanted to do and how he was denied, not about how he was bitter. To get fired over it is ludicrous.

As for whether there is a new intro or not with the music or the Bulls cartoon, Clay could have read the names just as well as whoever replaces him. He did not symbolize one way to do it, but rather a voice that is recognizable as part of the Bulls.

At the end of the day it is a small matter but it is indicative of the organization. And when I say organization you can read into what I mean through my earlier comments.
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I am done with this thread. Here is a link to another board where it is discussed in detail.

Incidentally, I was banned from that same board for this very thread. Go figure.

http://realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.p...um=10&start=45
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More unsubstantiated assumptions from BCH.

It is entirely possible, and even likely, that Krause has given Steve Schanwald total control over all matters related to the PA announcer and player introductions. It's called delegating authority. Or I suppose you believe that Krause also personally selects what type of flowers are planted outside the Berto Center?

I take it by your lack of respones to my analogous question about Yao Ming that you have no response.
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Krause and wether he fired Clay or not.

Krause runs the team. The Marketing guy answers to him and even if it was the marketing guy that pulled the trigger it is naive to think it was done with out Krause being in the know. All I need to do is look at what JK is in the organization to know what he is capable of doing.

I say Krause because I fully believe it is synonymous with the Bulls organiaztion and Krause may not own the club but he is the guy right under the guy.

I think clay has every right to voice his opinnon when asked. He was asked his personal feelings about the matter, not his professional opinion. He gave his personal feelings that he wanted to give MJ a trbute and announce him like he had when he played for the Bulls. This was vetoed and he did it the way he was asked. Now if he had rebeled and did it anyway, I could see him getting fired for it. His comments were more about what he wanted to do and how he was denied, not about how he was bitter. To get fired over it is ludicrous.

As for whether there is a new intro or not with the music or the Bulls cartoon, Clay could have read the names just as well as whoever replaces him. He did not symbolize one way to do it, but rather a voice that is recognizable as part of the Bulls.

At the end of the day it is a small matter but it is indicative of the organization. And when I say organization you can read into what I mean through my earlier comments.
BCH its still just your assumption. I am asking for all to give this board real proof that it was JK who fired Ray. And the real reason for it. Its still just an opinion. We need real proof that it was or it wasn't, otherwise, we have a difference of opinions that are deadlocked.
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Ray Clay Q & A (this has nothing to do with him being fired-

http://mapage.noos.fr/blacktag/voice.htm

just a bunch of questions about how it is/was being an announcer for the bulls over the years
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More unsubstantiated assumptions from BCH.

It is entirely possible, and even likely, that Krause has given Steve Schanwald total control over all matters related to the PA announcer and player introductions. It's called delegating authority. Or I suppose you believe that Krause also personally selects what type of flowers are planted outside the Berto Center?

I take it by your lack of respones to my analogous question about Yao Ming that you have no response.
No. i didn't respond because you made a poor analogy. The Houston PA announcer is in no position to make judgement calls on talent. Ray Clay made his introduction of Jordan famous. He was there for the whole experience. He is fully qualified on giving his opinion on how he felt he should announce Jordan.

I didn't point this out because I thought it was obvious, but I will be more than happy to answer if you demand I address each and every point you make.

I never said that Schanwald didn't fire the guy, I am saying that to think it was done without the knowledge/approval/blessing of Krause is naive. The fact that it was picked up by national media indicates that if it didn't, then Krause is delegating authority to the wrong people.
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BCH its still just your assumption. I am asking for all to give this board real proof that it was JK who fired Ray. And the real reason for it. Its still just an opinion. We need real proof that it was or it wasn't, otherwise, we have a difference of opinions that are deadlocked.
Truebluefan,

My argument is based on more fact than any other. Krause runs the organization. That is without a doubt. If blame is going to fall, it is going to fall on him. I am at least giving him enough credit to put him in a position to be in control of something like this. It is hilious to think a joe schmoe PR guy does this without fully realizing the ramifications and advising Krause of it first.

As for the reason, again I have most of the facts on my side. There is no doubt that Clay said how he wanted to announce MJ and how he was told no. This was made public. His firing was addressed witht he statement the Bulls wanted to go in a new direction. We can only go with what we have seen.

I am depending upon insinuation the least out of anyone even debating this.
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I guess my standpoint is this:

If Krause did decide to have Clay fired b/c he said publicly that he wanted to announce MJ like he used to, who cares? If I worked for the Bulls I would know that there are some things you don't take to the media. It's common knowledge that Krause and Jordan have a bad relationship. Krause is your current employer. Jordan is no longer a part of the company. And as harsh and short-sided as this sounds, I would have felt kind of crappy being a member of the Bulls and hearing MY pa announcer give the other team the home team treatment. These guys know what's up and know who the fans were there to see but at the same time - you're already living in his huge *** shadow. You're already playing in Mike's house with his banners and statue and "sacred" locker. Krause is trying to give these new guys a sense of idenity and make them seem like the stars. If I were the Bulls PA announcer I would not do anything to jeapordize that sweet job. Clay knows Krause. He knows what will piss him off. Maybe he didn't think he'd lose his job for stating an opinion but I guess he learned the hard way.

If that's what the reason was.
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I remember when Pippen came back to the United Center for his first time as a Rocket, we gave him a WHOLE tribute, music, highlights, a bunch of stuff... Jordan should have atlest gotten something like that, but then again it was Krause's decision to trade Pippen so I guess Krause thought it was OK to give him something...
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