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Old 05-28-2015, 01:40 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Hopefully this opens Bulls fan's eyes to the people who are running this side show circus. If the front office wants its input in games to matter so badly, come down and coach the Flipping TEAM! Pax is a coward, the front office is a joke and people wonder why top talent avoids the Bulls like its the plague.

Oh its the high taxes, the bad weather, the crime the.... Doesn't stop the Cubs, Blackhawks and Bears from doing their jobs.
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No doubt the Hawks are the best run team right now in terms of PR and success, but they do make a ton of questionable roster moves.
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The Kimmo Timonen trade, and Antoine Vermette outside of a few great moments had been almost non existent this post season. They gave up alot for these 2 guys.
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Does this mean our window to compete for a championship has closed for the time being? Is it closed even if Thibs sticks around? Was it ever really open?
Unless we hire someone unqualified, I don't think this impacts the Bulls' window. Look no further than what Steve Kerr has done with Golden State. Kerr had zero coaching experience 12 months ago. Thibodeau nearly took the Bulls to the Finals in his 1st season as a head coach.

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When are we going to start hearing some player reactions (maybe I've just missed them)? The players have been pretty quiet throughout this season, despite the issue hanging over their heads.
I am very curious about this as well.
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No doubt the Hawks are the best run team right now in terms of PR and success, but they do make a ton of questionable roster moves.
RC Buford and Greg Popovich call shenanigans
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when teams are lining up to bid for his services it kind of makes you think, doesn't it?
There is little evidence this is the case at the moment. We've heard Orlando is interested, and maybe New Orleans. Both are great fits. Orlando may end up choosing Skiles, though.

I think many teams are rightfully concerned about Thibodeau's flaws as a coach. Overplaying guys, pushing too hard in practice, lack of innovation on the offensive side of the ball, ability to get along with others. That said, I am 100% certain some teams are interested and he will get a job again, perhaps this summer.

I am not going to want a guy though just because some other team wants him. That would be a silly decision making strategy. You hire a guy based on what your team's needs are.
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Maybe we should hire Ron Adams who was apart of the Derrick Rose mvp season and the current Golden State run. ..... oh wait never mind, another successful coach the bulls fired because they could not get along with him.
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Maybe we should hire Ron Adams who was apart of the Derrick Rose mvp season and the current Golden State run. ..... oh wait never mind, another successful coach the bulls fired because they could not get along with him.
Not the reason they fired him.
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Nobody really knows why they fired him. Some say he did not respect the front office, some said he leaked info to the press, others say he fought with Gar. Either way, I think it's safe to say they did not like Adams.


Here is a bit from last year.

"It's still a bit mystifying to me," Adams said. "And I don't understand it. And if the intent was to be hurtful to me and my family, it succeeded."
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The Tribune reported in June that Forman took exception to Adams voicing displeasure over certain personnel moves. Adams confirmed this, saying he was told he "made a disparaging remark about the organization outside the walls of the Berto Center."

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Nobody really knows why they fired him. Some say he did not respect the front office, some said he leaked info to the press, others say he fought with Gar. Either way, I think it's safe to say they did not like Adams.


Here is a bit from last year.

"It's still a bit mystifying to me," Adams said. "And I don't understand it. And if the intent was to be hurtful to me and my family, it succeeded."
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The Tribune reported in June that Forman took exception to Adams voicing displeasure over certain personnel moves. Adams confirmed this, saying he was told he "made a disparaging remark about the organization outside the walls of the Berto Center."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...adams/2480893/
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"Here's what I don't want to get into," Forman said. "We make tens if not hundreds of decisions every year. I don't think we want to evaluate every decision, who's on board. We communicate about every decision, and at the end of the day, I've got to make the decisions I feel are best for this organization moving forward. We'll unite and we'll move forward. Tom makes the decisions on the floor. He's our head coach. I think he's as good a coach as there is in the NBA. He does a great job.

"Do I agree with absolutely every decision he makes?" he continued. "We'll communicate, probably not. But at the end of the day, I'm going to support the decisions he makes and I think he's going to support decisions that I make.
As long as once they're made, we unite and move forward because the goal is to continue to get this team better and to compete for a championship."
essentially from this i get that the front office demands that you go along with their decisions because its not your place to judge their decisions but to work with the players they bring in .

everybody just does their job. but at the same time if you have a problem you handle it within the org.

butting in with things like minutes restrictions and leaking their version of the events to local press seem to be an overstepping of their bounds by even their protocols.
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Interesting tweet from Dan Bernstein:

https://twitter.com/dan_bernstein

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#Bulls sources: at least three starters ripped Thibs in exit interview, said they'd avoid team facility this summer if he were still there.
I have suspected for a while there was tension with Thibs and players. But very little reported on it. The lid comes off now that Thibs is gone. This stuff is all related...front office gets involved because there are issues with Thibs being unreasonable with his players. Thibs gets mad because the front office is invading his turf. It's an ugly cycle once it starts.

I am 99% sure one of the guys referenced here is Noah, and suspect another is Jimmy Butler. Just my opinion. Noah has said stuff in the past like "I'd hate Thibs if we weren't winning"; jokingly I guess but maybe some truth to it. Jimmy Butler interestingly had a quote not long ago, I think about his MIP or all-star selection, where he gushed about how much Adrian Griffin helped him become who he is as a player; no mention of Thibs, though, which I thought was telling.

Hard to say where Rose's relationship with Thibs stands at the moment.
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Hire someone like Steve Kerr with no coaching experience.
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essentially from this i get that the front office demands that you go along with their decisions because its not your place to judge their decisions but to work with the players they bring in .

everybody just does their job. but at the same time if you have a problem you handle it within the org.

butting in with things like minutes restrictions and leaking their version of the events to local press seem to be an overstepping of their bounds by even their protocols.
This happens in every sport, in almost every organization. The Bulls history of reacting to what their coaches do or say are borderline maniacal. You don't fire one of the best assistant coaches in the game just because he disagreed with the questionable moves the front office made.
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Interesting tweet from Dan Bernstein:

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I have suspected for a while there was tension with Thibs and players. But very little reported on it. The lid comes off now that Thibs is gone. This stuff is all related...front office gets involved because there are issues with Thibs being unreasonable with his players. Thibs gets mad because the front office is invading his turf. It's an ugly cycle once it starts.

I am 99% sure one of the guys referenced here is Noah, and suspect another is Jimmy Butler. Just my opinion. Noah has said stuff in the past like "I'd hate Thibs if we weren't winning"; jokingly I guess but maybe some truth to it. Jimmy Butler interestingly had a quote not long ago, I think about his MIP or all-star selection, where he gushed about how much Adrian Griffin helped him become who he is as a player; no mention of Thibs, though, which I thought was telling.

Hard to say where Rose's relationship with Thibs stands at the moment.
I'm fairly certain one of the guys for sure is Gasol. I find it very hard to believe that Rose, Noah or Butler "Ripped" Thibs. The whole statement just screams overstatement, "At Least 3 starters" ?! Are they current starters or guys who started over the course of a season. Doug started, Snell started, I would not be surprised if they were the other 2 guys complaining.
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Interesting tweet from Dan Bernstein:

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I have suspected for a while there was tension with Thibs and players. But very little reported on it. The lid comes off now that Thibs is gone. This stuff is all related...front office gets involved because there are issues with Thibs being unreasonable with his players. Thibs gets mad because the front office is invading his turf. It's an ugly cycle once it starts.

I am 99% sure one of the guys referenced here is Noah, and suspect another is Jimmy Butler. Just my opinion. Noah has said stuff in the past like "I'd hate Thibs if we weren't winning"; jokingly I guess but maybe some truth to it. Jimmy Butler interestingly had a quote not long ago, I think about his MIP or all-star selection, where he gushed about how much Adrian Griffin helped him become who he is as a player; no mention of Thibs, though, which I thought was telling.

Hard to say where Rose's relationship with Thibs stands at the moment.
if i had to pick who had tension it wouldnt be rose it would be gasol, thibs has had rose's back since day 1 while gasol is a vet who probably bristles at thibs overt intensity ...he's a 14 yr. vet who probably has had enough of the grueling practices to last a lifetime.

add to that thibs habit of camping out at the berto waiting like a lonely dog for anyone to come in is probably grating after a while , i think of luol's story of how he realized thibs was different as endearing when he was at the gym when luol thought it was empty and put him through a draining workout , but sometimes people want their downtime or simply alone time to shoot around and be by themselves , thibs doesn't strike me as a give a guy space kind of guy. workaholics rarely are .
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