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Old 06-02-2015, 09:14 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Please identify them.
You're kidding right? And when I waste my time doing that then what? You come up with excuses for those, or just quit replying to my posts?


We've both been on this forum long enough that you and I both know what I'm talking about. If you want to pretend multiple Bulls front office threads couldn't be linked, as an example regarding Roses injuries and when he's coming back, that's fine with me. I just find it odd you're trying to either A) waste my time, or B) Live in complete denial in some sort of fantasy land.
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Old 06-02-2015, 11:17 AM   #32 (permalink)
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You're kidding right? And when I waste my time doing that then what? You come up with excuses for those, or just quit replying to my posts?


We've both been on this forum long enough that you and I both know what I'm talking about. If you want to pretend multiple Bulls front office threads couldn't be linked, as an example regarding Roses injuries and when he's coming back, that's fine with me. I just find it odd you're trying to either A) waste my time, or B) Live in complete denial in some sort of fantasy land.

I think you're making shit up and unable to actually cite data in support of your argument.

To be clear, I'm not talking about the Bulls' front office making "blunders" generally. Yes, trading Aldridge for Thomas is a blunder. But you said they are known for "classless" blunders. I take that to mean something like the press release they just issued re: Thibs, which I would agree was classless. But what is this supposed extensive history of other classless acts you contend exists? It seems you can't actually think of it.

I can think of one instance. That would be Pax choking Vinnie for his disobedience of management when risking injury to Jo Noah by deciding to exceed his minutes' limit. Ok, so I would agree that Pax's actions (which he apologized for) were classless, even if Vinnie himself was being a Grade-A dickbag.

I am not able to think of other instances that were "classless" that would somehow mean this FO has some extensive history of this kind of stuff. The FO has been around for a decade or whatever at this point, so I'm sure you've got a big list for me.

I also have no idea what with respect to Derrick's injury situation (you don't actually identify it, but instead make a vague reference) was "classless." Care to elaborate?

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I think you're making shit up and unable to actually cite data in support of your argument.

To be clear, I'm not talking about the Bulls' front office making "blunders" generally. Yes, trading Aldridge for Thomas is a blunder. But you said they are known for "classless" blunders. I take that to mean something like the press release they just issued re: Thibs, which I would agree was classless. But what is this supposed extensive history of other classless acts you contend exists? It seems you can't actually think of it.

I can think of one instance. That would be Pax choking Vinny for his disobedience of management when risking injury to Jo Noah by deciding to exceed his minutes' limit. Ok, so I would agree that Pax's actions (which he apologized for) were classless, even if Vinny himself was being a Grade-A dickbag.

I am not able to think of other instances that were "classless" that would somehow mean this FO has some extensive history of this kind of stuff. The FO has been around for a decade or whatever at this point, so I'm sure you've got a big list for me.

I also have no idea what with respect to Derrick's injury situation (you don't actually identify it, but instead make a vague reference) was "classless." Care to elaborate?
The Bulls front office didn't allude to Rose coming back a lot sooner than he actually did? Which in turn turned the whole thing into a bit of a **** show for a while?

Also, I like how you bring up the Vinny thing and then quietly try to put all the blame on him. Not something a front office apologist would do at all.......
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Re: Fred Hoiberg (5/30, Sources Say Bulls Confident Hoiberg Will Accept Offer)

Rose injury issues, Deng injury issues, Firing Skiles on Christmas, Pax fighting with Del Negro...

Come on..I support the Bulls but this front office/management team is farrr from being on the professional side.
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Rose injury issues, Deng injury issues, Firing Skiles on Christmas, Pax fighting with Del Negro...

Come on..I support the Bulls but this front office/management team is farrr from being on the professional side.
Yea, but didn't you read his post? It was Del Negro's fault because he's a "Grade A dickbag".


Nope. I'm sure he'll have a reason why everything you typed either wasn't their fault, or he'll say it might have been a bit their fault but then go on to say it was really someone elses a sentence later.
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The Bulls front office didn't allude to Rose coming back a lot sooner than he actually did? Which in turn turned the whole thing into a bit of a **** show for a while?
The Bulls released the timetable given by the physician that performed the surgery, as is customary. How was that "classless?"

I agree it turned into a media mess, but their actual actions were par for the course.

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I love the term "apologist." If anyone is being classless, look no further than yourself.

With Vinny, Pax was absolutely in the wrong. I am not defending his actions. I am only saying that Vinny was also in the wrong. That's more often than not the way the world works, rather than some good guys wear white, bad guys wear black, childish stuff that many seem to like to indulge in when discussing the FO.
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The Bulls released the timetable given by the physician that performed the surgery, as is customary. How was that "classless?"

I agree it turned into a media mess, but their actual actions were par for the course.



I love the term "apologist." If anyone is being classless, look no further than yourself.

With Vinny, Pax was absolutely in the wrong. I am not defending his actions. I am only saying that Vinny was also in the wrong. That's more often than not the way the world works, rather than some good guys wear white, bad guys wear black, childish stuff that many seem to like to indulge in when discussing the FO.
Seeing as they either A) Talked to Rose, knew the timelines didn't match up and still went public to try to push him to play, or B) Were too stupid to consult Derrick first, I don't really think your response adds up.
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Rose injury issues
What was "classless" here?

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Deng injury issues,
What was classless here? The worst part of this was Thibs saying he only had the flu. Obviously, the medical care was mishandled, but saying it was done in a "classless" fashion would suggest intent.

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Firing Skiles on Christmas,
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Pax fighting with Del Negro...
This one I've conceded and dealt with above. So in the decade prior to Thibs's firing, there is one thing that seems unassailably classless.
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Seeing as they either A) Talked to Rose, knew the timelines didn't match up and still went public to try to push him to play, or B) Were too stupid to consult Derrick first, I don't really think your response adds up.
I am not sure you gave this much thought before posting it.

The timeline was released post-surgery. Neither Derrick nor the Bulls knew he would take longer. The Bulls "went public" well before there was any concern that he might not play.

Or, are you suggesting GarPax has a time machine? Neato! They waited until Derrick would't meet the timeline, then got in it, transported themselves back to the date of the surgery, and announced an inaccurate timetable! Genius!

Heck, even if the Bulls could have done that, I'm not sure Derrick failing to come back in line with his doctors' evaluation is something to be laid at the feet of anyone other than Derrick himself, but that's a topic for another day.
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Re: Fred Hoiberg (5/30, Sources Say Bulls Confident Hoiberg Will Accept Offer)

Tony Snell looks happy. First time I've ever seen the guy smile.

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One encouraging thing. Fred did an interview with B&B and indicated he wants "all" of the analytics tools, including SportVU (which to my knowledge the Bulls don't currently employ).

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These types of things usually don't happen by accident.
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Exactly. The last notable deduction I recall was LeBron going to Cleveland and shouting out half the roster and Andrew Wiggins didn't get a mention.
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Hinrich is not a rotation player anymore but for a 3rd string role he is fine. Someone you can call on in emergency situations and he might give you something. Unlikely to complain about this role too which is key. That's about all you can ask for with 3rd string players. Sure he is only worth the vet minimum these days but having him for 1 more year at $2.8M is not the end of the world. That can't possibly be a hard contract to move if we were really that desperate. Plus coaches still love him even though he isn't worth the court time.
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