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Old 06-07-2015, 06:52 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Robert Upshaw's draft stock is about to plunge significantly. It was reported he has a heart issue of some kind: http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-...ended-workotus

Wonder if related to his past drug usage. He may still get picked up in the 2nd round, but I see no way get is a 1st rounder now.
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Upshaw was a fringe 1st rd pick to begin with. He'll certainly drop substantially now.
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I don't think it does much since he was allowed to play with whatever ailment he has at 2 universities and his issue isn't new.

it may be an new thing to think about in terms of his conditioning...which is on the subpar side.

if you aren't turned away by his other red flags this wont do it either .
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I don't think it does much since he was allowed to play with whatever ailment he has at 2 universities and his issue isn't new.

it may be an new thing to think about in terms of his conditioning...which is on the subpar side.

if you aren't turned away by his other red flags this wont do it either .
I'd have to respectfully disagree. While I understand your reasoning regarding how it didn't seem to be a problem in college, you have to look at it from the NBA side of things. For an NBA team, at minimum, you're locking yourself in to a two year commitment if you select him in the 1st round. Even if he is a late first rounder, you have to be able to forecast the roster two years down the road and try to factor in how impactful potentially losing that pick could be. If teams have any concern about his heart, I don't see how there will be someone willing to take a 1st round pick on him.
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I'd have to respectfully disagree. While I understand your reasoning regarding how it didn't seem to be a problem in college, you have to look at it from the NBA side of things. For an NBA team, at minimum, you're locking yourself in to a two year commitment if you select him in the 1st round. Even if he is a late first rounder, you have to be able to forecast the roster two years down the road and try to factor in how impactful potentially losing that pick could be. If teams have any concern about his heart, I don't see how there will be someone willing to take a 1st round pick on him.
i think its a matter of risk/reward

it depends on how good you think he is versus his issues and other players.

if you see a starter by his 3rd year he is a bargain, a big one the avg starting center makes about 10 mil.a season at the end of the 1st round pick is in the 1-2 mil. range

when he played he was among the best players in college basketball as evidenced by his 30.0 PER and that the huskies were 14-5 with him and 2-10 without him.


based on talent he is a top 10 pick possibly a DPOY candidate or an immature flake with a bad ticker or both its up to the front offices to weigh the probability of these scenarios and everyone decides things differently .

i am of the mindset you should swing for the fences and get as many star talents as you can for bargain prices as long as you have room and time for them , the sure things you can plug in during free agency.

in the end i look at the fact they let him play with his heart(you would have assume they thought they were headed for a hank gathers situation they would not let him play) ...it was his actions they drew the line with so that is more troubling.
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Robert Upshaw's draft stock is about to plunge significantly. It was reported he has a heart issue of some kind: http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-...ended-workotus

Wonder if related to his past drug usage. He may still get picked up in the 2nd round, but I see no way get is a 1st rounder now.
its probably an enlarged heart or an abnormal arrhythmia over the last 10 years a handful of guys have been found to have irregularities of varying degrees since the league started mandatory testing in 2006 .

only isaiah austin who had marfan's is the only guy i think couldnt play.

jeff green was diagnosed a few years ago and needed surgery , the grizzlies gave up a 1st rounder for him this past season...it depends on the severity and the type, which isnt known yet.
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I think Hinrich is done and the Bulls should really be looking for a solid point gaurd who can play extended minutes when needed (when Rose is hurt). While the Bulls may look to the free agent market for this, if they decide to draft a point guard, my first choice would be Grant. Personally I am not a big Tyus Jones fan but think Rozier might have some value.

If the Bulls fill their point gaurd in free agency, the next biggest need is small forward. If they go this route, I would love to see Decker from Wisconsin fall to the Bulls. If not, they may look overseas and take a flyer on Osman.
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The Bulls could go so many directions in the draft. Ultimately I see them just taking best player available regardless of position whoever they feel that is. And if there just aren't any guys they like in their range, I see them trading the pick, possibly with Gibson to go for an upgrade at the 1, 2, or 3 positions.

If they keep the pick, I think there will be a good PG available for the taking. However it does seem a bit risky to rely on a rookie PG to lead the 2nd unit when you are trying to build a contender.

It also wouldn't surprise me if they select Justin Anderson for 1 reason alone, and that's for a guy who is physically built to defend a guy like Lebron James. Anderson is a great defender and built like a tank with long arms and quick feet, not only that he can hit a 3 ball, and he should be able to do all this as a role player as a rookie. Even though there are higher upside players like Rozier in our range, I think Anderson gives you the highest impact contribution on Day 1, at least when it comes to challenging Lebron in the playoffs which is how the front office should be thinking IMO.

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Old 06-23-2015, 04:48 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Draft is < 48 hrs away!

Who will the Bulls pick?

Who should they pick?

From everything I've followed, it seems like Terry Rozier or Delon Wright are the 2 most likely guys we take; in terms of the Bulls liking them and them being available at #22 . There are a handful of guys I'd like better -- Jerian Grant, Kelly Oubre, and Bobby Portis to name a few -- who I'd love if they slip to #22 , but really don't think they will be available.

I am cool with most of these names for the Bulls. I have my doubts about Delon Wright's jumpshot but everyone insists the guy is a just a pure basketball player and you can't go wrong. Rozier has his flaws but he is such a great athlete who can defend and create, sort of a poor man's Wade/Westbrook type, he's sure to find a place in the league. Hollis-Jefferson is the one guy I might be pissed if we take b/c his offensive skill is just so bad. I've also cooled a bit on Justin Anderson. Wouldn't mind taking Rashad Vaughn at all, who has just a beautiful shooting stroke and high-level shot creating ability at only age 19. I've heard Hoiberg may really be pushing for Vaughn who would fit great in his system.
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It's draft day eve, so I'm officially declaring Terry Rozier as "my guy" in this draft. Obviously there are guys who are better but in terms of who I expect to be available at #22 , I think he's going to be best player available for us. I can't get past how he brings virtually the whole package: high level athleticism, shot creation, ballhandling/ball protection, 3-pt shooting, energy, defense. The main critique with him is his bad shot selection and inability to run the point, but I really think those issues are being overstated a bit b/c there frankly isn't alot of bad stuff to say about the guy. To whatever extent those are legit problems, I believe they are correctable in Hoiberg's system, and he is a coach who won't be afraid to let Rozier work through mistakes. (versus Thibodeau who would bench a guy like Rozier the minute he throws up a bad shot.) Bottom line, Rozier is a beast and will be a spark plug for the 2nd unit on Day 1, on both ends of the court.

Disclaimer: All bets are off depending on if/who slips down to #22 .

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It's draft day eve, so I'm officially declaring Terry Rozier as "my guy" in this draft. Obviously there are guys who are better but in terms of who I expect to be available at #22 , I think he's going to be best player available for us. I can't get past how he brings virtually the whole package: high level athleticism, shot creation, ballhandling/ball protection, 3-pt shooting, energy, defense. The main critique with him is his bad shot selection and inability to run the point, but I really think those issues are being overstated a bit b/c there frankly isn't alot of bad stuff to say about the guy. To whatever extent those are legit problems, I believe they are correctable in Hoiberg's system, and he is a coach who won't be afraid to let Rozier work through mistakes. (versus Thibodeau who would bench a guy like Rozier the minute he throws up a bad shot.) Bottom line, Rozier is a beast and will be a spark plug for the 2nd unit on Day 1, on both ends of the court.

Disclaimer: All bets are off depending on if/who slips down to #22 .

I am not much of a college hoops fan. I mostly just tune in shortly before the tourney. So, I don't have a "guy," other than there seem to be some PGs with good size available, which sounds good to me. I like the idea of a backup 1 that can rotate to guard 2s when necessary.
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my guy ..I don't have one but I am pretty good at predicting bulls draft picks because they tend to draft within certain parameters (upperclassmen, at least 2nd round of ncaa's , multipositional skills, safe picks) .

my guess delon wright slightly over rj hunter who actually feels more like a garpax pick but they just drafted snell 2 years ago I cant see them trying to replace him so soon
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Wow, great pick with Bobby Portis...I thought he'd be long gone by #22 . He is a great all-around big man on both ends, young, lots of upside. That's a steal, he was supposed to go much earlier. Draft express says his slip wasn't due to medical red flags like some players.

As I expected, the Bulls just went best player available regardless of position. That being said, I love the extra frontcourt depth he gives, and paves the way to trade either Joakim or Taj. Long term I think he has the size/length to play alongside Mirotic with the new NBA of skilled/athletic frontcourts. He's the type of guy who will help prevent Tristan Thompson from dominating us again in the playoffs.
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The interesting thing about Portis is, he plays alot like Joakim Noah...sort of like Noah with a jumpshot. He lacks Noah's ballhandling skill and not quite the on-court intelligence (though no slouch there by any stretch) but more than compensates with shooting range which Noah doesn't have. He plays with the same endless energy and hustle, and very quick feet laterally. Not explosive vertically, same as Noah. I am really shocked he fell this far, it's hard to find big men with this type of versatility and intelligence. Very few holes in his game.
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i'm in agreement this was a great pick , i didnt expect portis to be available ,

he is super productive(30 PER, 5th out of guys drafted ) , can score, rebound , defend and shoot , my only real concern is getting minutes to develop in a crowded frontcourt .
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