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Old 06-26-2015, 07:11 AM   #31 (permalink)
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I like the pick as well. Obviously, the Bulls are going to have to reshuffle the front court roster to make room if they plan to give him any meaningful burn this season. But, it's a good future-proofing move given that 3 of the 4 frontcourt guys are on the wrong side of 30.
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Bobby Portis is a good value pick, I just don't think hes ready to contribute next season. Hes extremely raw and limited physically and athletically. His motor is the only NBA ready skill present.

Does remind me a lot of Noah in terms of his ability to multitask defensively and use his lateral quickness to switch on P&R. While there are a lot of similarities to Noah, Portis is shorter, thinner and less athletic than Noah was at the same age.

My opinion is he can develop into a decent role player, but I don't ever envision him being a starter. He needs several seasons of weight training, post offensive training, ball handling and post defensive training.
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Just to tack on a bit.

I think this pick definitely means the Bulls will try to move Noah, Taj, Gasol or Mirotic. You don't draft a 5th big, it just doesn't make sense. I also don't see any scenario where playing Portis and Noah together on the court at the same time isn't considered playing 3 on 5 basketball offensively.

One scenario I do like, is the idea of Portis and Demarcus Cousins on the court at the same time. That is a long shot though.
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Portis is 1 inch shorter than Noah, but longer wingspan and higher standing reach. Portis is actually thicker/stronger than Noah was when he was drafted. Noah had a better vertical jump at the combine. Overall I consider it a wash, for all intents and purposes I think they will play at the same size.

I do think he projects as a starter based on his talent and overall abilities, but agree that won't/shouldn't happen for 2-3 years, and that assumes he is a worker who will improve and stay healthy. But that is OK, I think we end up keeping Gasol, Mirotic, and one of Gibson/Noah. When Gasol retires, Portis is ready to step into his spot. In today's NBA I see Portis becoming a center 2-3 years from now and will start alongside Niko Mirotic. That's the brand of ball Hoiberg wants to play -- 5 guys on the court who can all shoot, pass, drive and keep the floor open -- and the whole NBA is going to this style. Besides, Portis is a tough guy, strong already at age 20, and can handle full-time center duties by the time he's 23/24 years old, IMO.

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Bobby Portis is a good value pick, I just don't think hes ready to contribute next season. Hes extremely raw and limited physically and athletically. His motor is the only NBA ready skill present.

Does remind me a lot of Noah in terms of his ability to multitask defensively and use his lateral quickness to switch on P&R. While there are a lot of similarities to Noah, Portis is shorter, thinner and less athletic than Noah was at the same age.

My opinion is he can develop into a decent role player, but I don't ever envision him being a starter. He needs several seasons of weight training, post offensive training, ball handling and post defensive training.
physically portis is shorter by an inch and less athletic but in basketball terms he is a somewhat bigger player .

noah at the draft combine weighed 223 had a standing reach of 8'10 1/2

portis 246 with a standing reach of 9'0 1/2and is 2 years younger than noah since joakim was 22 when he was drafted

people forget how scrawny noah was when the bulls picked him up, if he winds up playing with the same difference making zeal as noah the bulls got the steal of the draft because he can shoot 3's too, he's not the run/jump guy noah was, but he is bigger and more skilled
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...and portis can actually shot almost three point range.
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If you want a player comparison for Portis, I'm thinking P.J. Brown. If you remember what Brown was like back in his heyday, he was the same type of below the rim player who was just solid at pretty much everything. He was a good shooter, smart player, tough and even versatile defender, good though not elite rebounder, and all at the same 6'11, 240 lb range who played alot of PF and occasional C. Similar to P.J. Brown, I don't see Portis becoming some elite all-star scorer, but certainly could be a solid starter or premium-level 3rd big backing up the PF/C positions.

The nice thing about Portis is, I think he has a very high floor. That is, even though he doesn't really have elite star potential (not that many guys selected #22 in a draft do), his high motor + skill level + defensive ability makes it more likely than not that he contributes as a career level rotation player.

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I think the bulls ride out gibsons contract or trade him after this year when he has one more year left. Portis needs a couple years to be effective anyways. Mirotic can play some 3 but is too slow on d.

The bulls are going to resign jimmy and fill in the rest with vet minimums. Where is our mid level exception at.
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Yeah Portis is bigger than he looks, weight wise that is.

I like everything that he said during his press conference, really seems like a kid who would have thrived under Thibs. I just don't know what his role is going to be in the NBA, I see a lot of limitations in his game and he lacks a true position, but that motor can get you far in the NBA. Hes no Tony Snell in that department, so I think he has a chance to make a niche for himself on this team. But trades will have to be made.
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If you want a player comparison for Portis, I'm thinking P.J. Brown. If you remember what Brown was like back in his heyday, he was the same type of below the rim player who was just solid at pretty much everything. He was a good shooter, smart player, tough and even versatile defender, good though not elite rebounder, and all at the same 6'11, 240 lb range who played alot of PF and occasional C. Similar to P.J. Brown, I don't see Portis becoming some elite all-star scorer, but certainly could be a solid starter or premium-level 3rd big backing up the PF/C positions.

The nice thing about Portis is, I think he has a very high floor. That is, even though he doesn't really have elite star potential (not that many guys selected #22 in a draft do), his high motor + skill level + defensive ability makes it more likely than not that he contributes as a career level rotation player.
its worth noting portis is listed at 246 and he is 20 years old , chances are when he fills out a bit he will wind up in the 260-270 range , making more suited to be a center , with his shooting and motor he'll be more valuable there .
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its worth noting portis is listed at 246 and he is 20 years old , chances are when he fills out a bit he will wind up in the 260-270 range , making more suited to be a center , with his shooting and motor he'll be more valuable there .
I agree in this era of NBA basketball, and the direction the league is trying to go, Portis makes alot of sense playing center. That is great for the Bulls too since Mirotic projects to be our long-term PF. Mirotic and Portis offensively can be pretty potent down the road with both being multi-skilled big men who can run, dribble, pass, shoot better than most of their counterparts at PF & C. Though I will also say, I think it'd be a mistake for Portis to gain too much weight...245 lbs now is solid and allows him to run the floor and be a mobile defender. I'd hope he maxes out no more than 250-255 lbs and focuses more on gaining strength/definition more than weight.
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