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Old 05-30-2015, 07:37 AM   #1 (permalink)
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2015 Draft Thread

We are less than 1 month away from the draft, so let's start this thing up. Bulls pick #22 this year and don't currently own a 2nd round pick.

I see some really nice role player / rotational guys available around our pick. The nice thing is, the Bulls are in a position to pick the flat-out best player available regardless of position. I can make a case for needing depth at all 5 positions, though I really don't see any great center prospects in our range. (some want Robert Upshaw, I'm not a fan personally)

Here are some of the top guys I like in our range:

-- Jerian Grant (PG): My guy 100%. Just not sure he'll be there. Love his versatility in the backcourt and has very few flaws in his game.

-- Tyus Jones (PG): His lack of size & athleticism scares me a bit, but that point aside he is awesome otherwise. He is smart beyond his years and steps up in big games. Can even shoot the ball pretty well. Would fit in virtually anywhere.

-- Justin Anderson (SF): All the tools of an excellent 3 and D guy. Guy is 230 lbs at 5% body fat, just a tank body that you could throw at Lebron James. And he is a great athlete, very quick feet and big time hops. Also a 7 foot wingspan and can shoot the 3-ball extremely well. We need another Lebron defender so I'd totally be down with him.

-- Montrezl Harrel (PF): Love his energy and defense. I'd see him as a Taj Gibson replacement; very similar type of player. He is a great finisher at the rim. Not my first pick here b/c we need him to be better at his perimeter D, and his skill level isn't very good away from the basket.

-- Jordan Mickey (PF): He's projected as an early 2nd rounder but there is alot to like. Great athlete, strong as hell, rebounds, blocks shots, finishes at the rim. I see him as very similar to Tristan Thompson. I'd rank him higher if he didn't turn the ball over at such an alarming rate.

My theme here is we really need to build a team capable of beating Lebron James and the Cavs. They're going to be our #1 roadblock for another 3-5 years. Need to pick guys that give us more of an edge against them and make sure we have weapons to throw at Lebron, Kyrie, Tristan Thompson in particular.

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jerian grant or delon wright

both are highly productive defense oriented upperclassmen who play a position of need and who made it to the 3rd and 4th round in the ncaa tourney , if both were available i'd say grant 1st especially since he's horace's nephew but i doubt he will .

so my guess is wright.
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Delon Wright is OK, certainly a great defender, but his jumper seems broke. That's a bit scary when we had spacing problems as it is. Really crossing fingers on Jerian Grant being there who is best of both worlds.
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-- Jerian Grant (PG): My guy 100%. Just not sure he'll be there. Love his versatility in the backcourt and has very few flaws in his game.
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-- Justin Anderson (SF): All the tools of an excellent 3 and D guy. Guy is 230 lbs at 5% body fat, just a tank body that you could throw at Lebron James. And he is a great athlete, very quick feet and big time hops. Also a 7 foot wingspan and can shoot the 3-ball extremely well. We need another Lebron defender so I'd totally be down with him.
I'm curious. Based on your write-up, Justin Anderson seems like the best acquisition. We could use someone that can make life difficult for Lebron while also spacing the floor by hitting 3 pointers. Yet, your top choice seems to be Jerian Grant. You used the least amount of sentences to describe him, would you mind expanding on why he's your #1 choice?
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I'm curious. Based on your write-up, Justin Anderson seems like the best acquisition. We could use someone that can make life difficult for Lebron while also spacing the floor by hitting 3 pointers. Yet, your top choice seems to be Jerian Grant. You used the least amount of sentences to describe him, would you mind expanding on why he's your #1 choice?
Fair question. I see Jerian Grant as just being the better, higher impact NBA player. He is pretty good at just about everything and very few weaknesses. He is 6'5, strong build, good athlete, can create off the dribble, great passer, and even shoot the ball. He should be a solid backup combo-guard on Day 1, but he has clear cut starter potential as well. Honestly I feel he should be a lottery pick and somehow doubt he'll fall to us. If there is a concern, I guess it's he will be a jack of all trades, master of none.

Justin Anderson on the other hand, I see him more as a solid role player. Anderson can't create off the dribble for starters (whereas Grant can), and is not really a volume scorer, nor a guy who will generate quick offense on the move unless he is filling the lane on the break. He is a better shooter, athlete, and defender than Grant, though.

Grant's ceiling I see as being in Kyle Lowry territory. Anderson's ceiling I see being more like Danny Green territory. Both are nice players but IMO you're crazy if you pick Danny Green over Kyle Lowry.
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If Thibs was still the coach I would say the only pick should be for Robert Upshaw. Upshaw has TONS of potential to be a game changing defensive player, very similar to D.Jordan from the Clippers. Guy is huge and makes up a lack of fundamentals with his raw physical abilities, really needs to be coached up as he has serious off the court questions as well.

Seeing as Thibs is gone, I think the Bulls should go with RJ Hunter. He reminds me a bit of Kevin Martin. The kid can handle the ball which is a big plus when playing on a team like the Bulls who struggle at times with dribbling, hes a slasher who can attack defenses and isn't reliant on the 3 point shot to set up his offense. He has that crazy range when shooting, hes not even a good 3 point shooter but he can get hot and light it up from time to time, hitting some JR Smith type of crazy 3 point shots.

My biggest concern with him is that hes not a great athlete. If he can master a more crafty style of offense, he could be a starter in this league but as of now hes worth a late first rounder.

Its hard gauging this draft past the trio of Okafor, Towns and Russell. A lot of these guys either din't show up to the combine or just did not even try hard. The most impressive guy I saw at the combine was Pat Connaughton from ND. Dude blew me away with his combine performance, it was quite the thing to see live in person, but hes not even projected as being drafted.
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If Thibs was still the coach I would say the only pick should be for Robert Upshaw. Upshaw has TONS of potential to be a game changing defensive player, very similar to D.Jordan from the Clippers. Guy is huge and makes up a lack of fundamentals with his raw physical abilities, really needs to be coached up as he has serious off the court questions as well.

Seeing as Thibs is gone, I think the Bulls should go with RJ Hunter. He reminds me a bit of Kevin Martin. The kid can handle the ball which is a big plus when playing on a team like the Bulls who struggle at times with dribbling, hes a slasher who can attack defenses and isn't reliant on the 3 point shot to set up his offense. He has that crazy range when shooting, hes not even a good 3 point shooter but he can get hot and light it up from time to time, hitting some JR Smith type of crazy 3 point shots.

My biggest concern with him is that hes not a great athlete. If he can master a more crafty style of offense, he could be a starter in this league but as of now hes worth a late first rounder.

Its hard gauging this draft past the trio of Okafor, Towns and Russell. A lot of these guys either din't show up to the combine or just did not even try hard. The most impressive guy I saw at the combine was Pat Connaughton from ND. Dude blew me away with his combine performance, it was quite the thing to see live in person, but hes not even projected as being drafted.
garpax would not in a million years draft Robert Upshaw , they don't take risks like that

he kind of reminds me of mutumbo with a jumpshot but he lacks discipline it was weird watching him in a scrimmage taking shots that were to put it mildly questionable like 3 pointers and 18 ft turnarounds but he was hitting them.

he has all star talent but he cant control himself , he could mature on the right team and they would really have something.
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Delon Wright is OK, certainly a great defender, but his jumper seems broke. That's a bit scary when we had spacing problems as it is. Really crossing fingers on Jerian Grant being there who is best of both worlds.

wright shot .356 from 3 this past season .

grant shot .316 from 3 this past season.
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wright shot .356 from 3 this past season .

grant shot .316 from 3 this past season.
That is true, I didn't catch that. Though Grant did have 3 years prior where he was around 35%, and Wright was much lower. Would also have to say I like Grant's shooting form quite a bit better than Wright's. But, point taken...a bit strange Wright would improve and Grant would decrease.
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One guy I just started learning about is Rashad Vaughn. He's projected late 1st round, certainly justified if we pick him. Kid is not even 19 years old yet and has a BEAUTIFUL jump shot reminiscent of Ben Gordon with the high arc and soft release. That's a pure stroke if I've ever seen it. He's a legit 6'5 in shoes too so would be a pure SG. Pretty decent handle as well. The concern with him is poor shot selection and ability to plaly in a team setting, but given he's so young there is hope. I'd be totally down with him if he seems coachable, we need that kind of shooting and scoring mentality off the bench.
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garpax would not in a million years draft Robert Upshaw , they don't take risks like that

he kind of reminds me of mutumbo with a jumpshot but he lacks discipline it was weird watching him in a scrimmage taking shots that were to put it mildly questionable like 3 pointers and 18 ft turnarounds but he was hitting them.

he has all star talent but he cant control himself , he could mature on the right team and they would really have something.
Yeah, I agree about Upshaw. The front office would never allow a player with as many red flags as he does to join this team. Even though the front office are probably one of the least professional group of guys in the NBA.
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Yeah, I agree about Upshaw. The front office would never allow a player with as many red flags as he does to join this team. Even though the front office are probably one of the least professional group of guys in the NBA.
Do you know what the red flags are with Upshaw, specifically? Is it coachablity, off the court issues, work ethic, all of the above?

The video footage I saw of him made him look physically dominant at the college level, but I had a hard time grasping him athleticism. Off hand he didn't look quite as explosive as Deandre Jordan, which is a big deal b/c Deandre without great athleticism is a fringe NBA player IMO.

I'd overlook Upshaw's off court issues somewhat if he proved to have some coachability, on-court intelligence, and semblance of offensive skill whether that be shooting touch or passing ability. Hoiberg had success with Royce freaking White so perhaps Upshaw is worth considering. I just don't know enough about him other than he was alot bigger/stronger than your typical 6'9 college center. I mean so was Patrick O'Bryant and Hasheem Thabeet, look how that turned out.
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Do you know what the red flags are with Upshaw, specifically? Is it coachablity, off the court issues, work ethic, all of the above?

The video footage I saw of him made him look physically dominant at the college level, but I had a hard time grasping him athleticism. Off hand he didn't look quite as explosive as Deandre Jordan, which is a big deal b/c Deandre without great athleticism is a fringe NBA player IMO.

I'd overlook Upshaw's off court issues somewhat if he proved to have some coachability, on-court intelligence, and semblance of offensive skill whether that be shooting touch or passing ability. Hoiberg had success with Royce freaking White so perhaps Upshaw is worth considering. I just don't know enough about him other than he was alot bigger/stronger than your typical 6'9 college center. I mean so was Patrick O'Bryant and Hasheem Thabeet, look how that turned out.
Nobody seems to know for sure why he keeps getting kicked out of programs, I have to assume it has to do with drugs rather than fighting people, since I think the later would somehow have leaked by now.

I definitely see the Patrick O'Bryant comparison. Same size, same kind of skill-set and same on the court red flags. I really thought O'Bryant had the potential to be a legit NBA started at the 5 position, but he just never got any better and never tried hard. I see a lot of this in Upshaw.

Like I said, I think Thibs would have at the very least gotten some defensive hustle out of the guy but he is a big time risk. Hes one of those guys who perfectly fit the description of raw. Sloppy fundamentals but makes up for it with his physical gifts. If he ever puts it all together he could easily be a 10 and 10 50% guy who can lead the league in blocks.
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Nobody seems to know for sure why he keeps getting kicked out of programs, I have to assume it has to do with drugs rather than fighting people, since I think the later would somehow have leaked by now.

I definitely see the Patrick O'Bryant comparison. Same size, same kind of skill-set and same on the court red flags. I really thought O'Bryant had the potential to be a legit NBA started at the 5 position, but he just never got any better and never tried hard. I see a lot of this in Upshaw.

Like I said, I think Thibs would have at the very least gotten some defensive hustle out of the guy but he is a big time risk. Hes one of those guys who perfectly fit the description of raw. Sloppy fundamentals but makes up for it with his physical gifts. If he ever puts it all together he could easily be a 10 and 10 50% guy who can lead the league in blocks.
As my avatar indicates, I have been a big fan over the years of the Bradley Braves. My fandom has fallen off recently but I followed them avidly back when O'Bryant was there. I was convinced he would be a good NBA player, at the very least a solid rebounder and defensive specialist, and even wanted the Bulls to grab him somehow. Needless to say, I was way off. He just didn't get any better like you said.

Now granted, Upshaw does appear to be a bit more naturally talented than O'Bryant, but hard to say if that offsets the red flags. I'm really only OK with picking him if he's flat out best player available. I look at a guy like Rashad Vaughn for instance, and I see a guy who can really fill it up at age 18 and every bit the upside as Upshaw, just at a different position and without the red flags.
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Terry Rozier (Louisville guard) is a guy the Bulls may be targeting based on a few new updates. First there was a report that Rozier went from a mid-2nd round status into a 1st round guarantee: http://www.courier-journal.com/story...tion/28601465/

And now Joe Cowley believes the Bulls are trying to grab a point guard: http://chicago.suntimes.com/basketba...ly-offensively

I'm going to need some selling on Rozier if he's really our guy. There are certainly things to like -- he is an awesome defender, super athletic, attacks the rim & finishes, and a respectable shooter. But I think he'll be only average as a shooter at the NBA level, and I'm more concerned about his PG skills like ability to run pick and roll, court vision in general, and ability to take care of the ball. Sounds alot like an Avery Bradley clone if you ask me. That type of guy is nice to have in a rotation but I would prefer we have Jerian Grant, Justin Anderson, or Rashad Vaughn who all fill big needs in their own right.

Highlights on Rozier here: http://www.cardchronicle.com/2015/4/...highlight-reel

Will say this though, Rozier would fit into Hoiberg's desire to play more up tempo. I think the Bulls were only 20th in tempo last year. Rozier's defensive style forces alot of turnovers and he is a maniac in the open floor. Imagine lineups with him, Rose, and Butler...3 guys who will get out and run, and actually able to finish a break. We never did this with Thibs b/c he always ran a pack the paint defense that rarely forced turnovers, and was more focused on making opponents shoot a low percentage.

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