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Old 01-16-2016, 07:51 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Bulls Medical Staff - Jo Noah

Coming off of Noah's injury last night, I am really wondering why the hell he was on the floor in the first place. He was out what seems to be a relatively short period of time for a separated/dislocated shoulder. In his first game back, he had his shot blocked and immediately experienced what looked like pretty serious pain. When asked how his shoulder was, he said it was just "ok."

What is he doing out there if he hasn't healed?
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This isn't the first time our medical staff has allowed guys back under questionable circumstances either.
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Re: Bulls Medical Staff - Jo Noah

Have not heard the name Jen Swanson in a while.

That damn Thibs. Always getting the players hurt.
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Have not heard the name Jen Swanson in a while.

That damn Thibs. Always getting the players hurt.

Haha. Keep grinding that axe! You gotta do you.
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Haha. Keep grinding that axe! You gotta do you.
there is some truth to it , jimmy is playing almost as much as he did last season (38.7 to 38.2 this season )

rose is playing more 32.6 to 30.0

noah playing less and he is the one who is hurt.
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there is some truth to it , jimmy is playing almost as much as he did last season (38.7 to 38.2 this season )

rose is playing more 32.6 to 30.0

noah playing less and he is the one who is hurt.
Jimmy was playing closer to 35 min/game initially until he complained to Hoiberg about sitting too much.

Rose's minutes were never an issue last year. He is also another year removed from his ACL injury. His minutes should be going up. A healthy 28 year old player should be able to handle 32 minutes per game, easily.

Gasol & Noah were the 2 guys who I thought were overplayed last year, and both of their minutes are down this year.

The Bulls have also had very few back-to-backs this year; maybe 2 or 3 total? Much of the critique last year was Thibodeau playing guys just as much on the 2nd of back to backs (or 4th game in 5 nights) as he would any other game. This year that has largely been irrelevant due to a more favorably paced schedule.

Thibodeau also allegedly runs some of the hardest practices in the league. So the criticism often came from him doing that + compounding the minutes and never leaving time for rest. Though I have no idea where Hoiberg's practices rate on the physical stress scale.
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As for Noah's injury -- I am largely reserving judgment due to lack of information. I heard there was a small tear but I've also heard with some injuries you aren't necessarily at a higher risk of re-injuring compared to any other person. Can anyone really quantify how much higher risk Noah was compared to a healthy player? I won't pretend to know. I did see the play live and Noah took a pretty big hit to the same shoulder he hurt against New Jersey. Maybe he is just unlucky, or maybe there really was a higher risk of dislocation. I find it unlikely that Noah wasn't fairly informed on risks prior to taking the court, though. If there was indeed a higher than normal risk, it's looking like a poor choice in hindsight, obviously.
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there is some truth to it , jimmy is playing almost as much as he did last season (38.7 to 38.2 this season )

rose is playing more 32.6 to 30.0

noah playing less and he is the one who is hurt.
No. There is no relation to the Noah shoulder injury whatsoever, and plenty of other threads where comments like that would actually be on-topic.
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No. There is no relation to the Noah shoulder injury whatsoever, and plenty of other threads where comments like that would actually be on-topic.
the point is thibs caught alot of flack for playing his players too much because it was said it got them hurt


but noah is playing much less and got hurt anyway

rose is playing more and is hurt less

jimmy is playing about the same amount and hasn't missed any time.

it was always ridiculous , thibs played his guys a lot and in my opinion that and thibs coaching ability masked most of the team's structural issues.

now he's gone and the team is winning slightly less but the idea that this team is a contender has vanished because people can see the team as constructed is just a good team...not close to a great one.

it was scapegoating , plain and simple.
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Jimmy was playing closer to 35 min/game initially until he complained to Hoiberg about sitting too much.
there isnt a lot of difference between 38.7 and his current 38.1 , to hear you tell it he bumped up 3 minutes and will be above last years number in no time
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Rose's minutes were never an issue last year. He is also another year removed from his ACL injury. His minutes should be going up. A healthy 28 year old player should be able to handle 32 minutes per game, easily.
i agree but thibs caught flack for it anyway

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Gasol & Noah were the 2 guys who I thought were overplayed last year, and both of their minutes are down this year.
portis and a mirotic that was brought along slowly last season might have something to do with it, the team has an overwhelming amount of depth at the power positions

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The Bulls have also had very few back-to-backs this year; maybe 2 or 3 total? Much of the critique last year was Thibodeau playing guys just as much on the 2nd of back to backs (or 4th game in 5 nights) as he would any other game. This year that has largely been irrelevant due to a more favorably paced schedule.
the season is still the same length , same amount of games , the same amount of nights, it always evens out .

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Thibodeau also allegedly runs some of the hardest practices in the league. So the criticism often came from him doing that + compounding the minutes and never leaving time for rest. Though I have no idea where Hoiberg's practices rate on the physical stress scale.
you want a team to play hard and intense,practice often gives players a chance to show they deserve playing time or more of it , you develop your team's identity in practice and it came out in the games.

the team is on pace for a 48 win season and no one is happy about it .
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there isnt a lot of difference between 38.7 and his current 38.1 , to hear you tell it he bumped up 3 minutes and will be above last years number in no time
Well I don't agree Jimmy should be playing 38 min/game and leading the league in minutes. I don't like it. I did like what Hoiberg was doing initially though which was in the 35-36 territory. Hoiberg gave into what Jimmy wanted. Jimmy is our best player so he gets a say. I'd be surprised if it didn't level out eventually though rather than continuing to catapult.


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i agree but thibs caught flack for it anyway
If he did, it certainly wasn't from me, and I don't remember seeing any fans complaining about Rose playing too many minutes last year. Rose was the 1 and only starter who was probably playing an appropriate # of minutes last year. Though maybe you are referring to Rose (and others) being out on the court during meaningless moments, such as up or down 15 pts with 2 1/2 minutes remaining -- which was a fair critique of Thibodeau. I mean, Rose tore his ACL is that exact situation -- big lead with little time left in the game. Thibodeau was terrible at taking his main guys out when the game was essentially over; and all to prevent the 1 in 100,000 chance the opponent comes back to win.


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portis and a mirotic that was brought along slowly last season might have something to do with it, the team has an overwhelming amount of depth at the power positions
Does that matter? I suspect that depth was built up intentionally given Gasol's age, Noah's knees, and this team's injury history.


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the season is still the same length , same amount of games , the same amount of nights, it always evens out .
Taxation on the human body is not a simple additive formula. In other words you can't tell me playing 5 games in 10 nights is equally taxing on the human body as playing 5 games in 7 nights. Rest & recovery time in between games is essential to injury prevention.


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you want a team to play hard and intense,practice often gives players a chance to show they deserve playing time or more of it , you develop your team's identity in practice and it came out in the games.
True, but not "all out, all the time", which is all Thibodeau seemed to preach regardless of the circumstances. I trained pretty hard in track & cross country in high school. You have what they call hard days & recovery days. An optimal training regime interweaves these days. You might do hard days on Monday & Thursday, recovery days on Tuesday & Friday, medium day on Wednesday, and competitive meet on Saturday (following Friday's recovery day). Pretty much any sport with heavy physical conditioning should follow this. Thibodeau seems more like every day should be a hard day. You're increasing injury risk & not getting your guys prepared for game day if you practice that hard all the time. You need to intermix it at the right times.


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the team is on pace for a 48 win season and no one is happy about it .
One thing we agree on. It's very odd. Probably because we've seemed to be stuck in this territory of "good, not great" for about 5+ years now. The team feels stales at the very least. Except for Butler turning into a superstar & Bobby Portis looking like a nice find; because those are new things that give some hope for the future.
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Everything I read after Noah's initial shoulder injury was that, without surgery, re-injury was likely. Surgery was likely an option with the first injury, but it would mean missing the season. So they rolled dice and lost, but in the end, they lost nothing. He'll be fully-recovered from the shoulder come next season.
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