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Old 02-16-2016, 03:01 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Old 02-17-2016, 10:20 AM   #17 (permalink)
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The Chicago Bulls are aggressively shopping All-Star forward Pau Gasol, league sources told The Vertical.

Gasol, 35, can opt out of his contract this summer and become an unrestricted free agent, and Bulls general manager Gar Forman seems determined to move him before Thursday's trade deadline with the hope of bringing back value.

Gasol is expected to decline the player option on the $7.4 million owed him in 2016-17.

Gasol is averaging 17 points and 10.9 rebounds for the struggling Bulls.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba-tra...023959300.html



Note the distinction there. Woj reports the Bullls hope to bring back value. KC reports it's likeliest to be done to get out of the tax (and presumably, to some extent, tank).

Woj has a history of not being very plugged in to the Bulls' FO, and KC the opposite, so sadly I'm going to believe a salary dump is the most likely scenario.

If this season is a wash and you can get a pick, though, then fine, I guess.

This is certainly at odds with the prior report that the Bulls wanted to bring Pau back on a big salary, so there's some relief in that sense.
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Old 02-17-2016, 10:45 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Old 02-17-2016, 12:34 PM   #19 (permalink)
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You better hope and pray that they are actively shopping him. What kind of dog and pony show is running the front office if this isn't the case?
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Old 02-17-2016, 05:43 PM   #20 (permalink)
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the bulls history says they trade gasol , get under the tax pick up an asset or 2.

I would love to see something along the lines of trading gasol for Stephenson who are looking for a big so they can sit Jordan at the end of games...the bulls get a reasonably young wing who is a playmaker, play defense and make an open shot.
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Woj: Gasol/Snell to Kings is in discussion Feb 17

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Kosta Koufos, Ben McLemore and "a lowering of the lottery protections on the 2016 first-round pick that Sacramento owes the Bulls."
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Re: Woj: Gasol/Snell to Kings is in discussion Feb 17

I'd be all over this Sacramento deal if Sacramento would accept.

You get McLemore, who is slightly better than Snell now and with some upside. It's a low-risk lottery ticket asset. You get Koufos, who is a solid backup to potential spot-starting C, which the Bulls would need particularly if Pau goes. The defense gets better immediately. You also then improve the current pick that will probably not materialize and would turn into less valuable 2nd rounders into a 1st rounder. All for a 2-month rental of a guy who said he was likely to opt out and who is not part of the long-term plan. Oh, and Snell, if that's relevant.

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If its Koufus / McLemore for Snell / Gasol and some alteration of the Kings pick.

* Interesting to see the Bulls adding salary for this season. That's not usual since I think they would pay more tax. (assuming hoopshype is right)
* Its a long term investment in Koufus. He's under contract until 17/18 with a player option for 18/19. (assuming hoopshype is right)
* McLemore looks like a bad NBA basketball player to this point. He's cheap and gone though if needed at the end of next season. Koufus looks like he can play.
* Gasol is going to walk anyway and it doesn't look like Snell will be an impact NBA player, at least not on this team. He is cheap though and I still think shows potential to be a D and 3 guy in the right spot.

The Sacto pick rules changing is interesting. At first it seems like a nice deal. Kings are slotted at #9 now so the Bulls would not get that pick as it stands, depending on lotto balls of course. After this trade they would get it. Making it, what, top 3 protected would increase the odds of the Bulls getting the pick this season.

But, giving the Kings Gasol would likely make them a better team, causing them to win more games and giving them fewer lotto balls / perhaps making the playoffs. Giving them Gasol probably devalues the Sacto pick, assuming the Sacto team improves with him. So that's not good. If that's the case, we're giving ourselves a poorer pick and basically making a long term / not cheap investment in Koufus.

Koufus is due to make 7.7 / 8.1 / 8.4 and 8.7 on the player option.

Kind of an anti-Bulls move. Pay more tax, decrease financial flexibility. Maybe they like Koufus a lot?
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If its Koufus / McLemore for Snell / Gasol and some alteration of the Kings pick.

* Interesting to see the Bulls adding salary for this season. That's not usual since I think they would pay more tax. (assuming hoopshype is right)
* Its a long term investment in Koufus. He's under contract until 17/18 with a player option for 18/19. (assuming hoopshype is right)
* McLemore looks like a bad NBA basketball player to this point. He's cheap and gone though if needed at the end of next season. Koufus looks like he can play.
* Gasol is going to walk anyway and it doesn't look like Snell will be an impact NBA player, at least not on this team. He is cheap though and I still think shows potential to be a D and 3 guy in the right spot.

The Sacto pick rules changing is interesting. At first it seems like a nice deal. Kings are slotted at #9 now so the Bulls would not get that pick as it stands, depending on lotto balls of course. After this trade they would get it. Making it, what, top 3 protected would increase the odds of the Bulls getting the pick this season.

But, giving the Kings Gasol would likely make them a better team, causing them to win more games and giving them fewer lotto balls / perhaps making the playoffs. Giving them Gasol probably devalues the Sacto pick, assuming the Sacto team improves with him. So that's not good. If that's the case, we're giving ourselves a poorer pick and basically making a long term / not cheap investment in Koufus.

Koufus is due to make 7.7 / 8.1 / 8.4 and 8.7 on the player option.

Kind of an anti-Bulls move. Pay more tax, decrease financial flexibility. Maybe they like Koufus a lot?

Re: the "poorer pick" concept, while that's true, I think the first goal has to be just to get the pick at all. If Pau helps them and the pick goes down to #15 , while that's obviously not as good as #9 , it's massively better to get the 15th pick than having the pick fall into the protection layer and potentially just getting stuck with 2nd rounders in the future.

And hey, don't forget they'd be getting Snell, which probably keeps them in the lottery!
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So now I'm seeing chatter that the Kings aren't playing ball on the pick protection aspect of the potential trade, which is basically the point of doing the trade. Sigh.
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Hinrich to the Hawks for a 2nd round pick.

Salary dump.

Sigh.
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It would be funny if I didn't care. Its still kind of gallows humor funny.
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It would be funny if I didn't care. Its still kind of gallows humor funny.
It is indeed gallows humor funny.

I'm fine with the move itself, but this team needs something a lot more dramatic.

So now we monitor the buyout market I guess. Yippee.
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