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Old 06-15-2016, 03:21 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Thibs and Ainge want Jimmy

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/...ansmsnsports11

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The Timberwolves are interested in trading the No. 5 pick in the upcoming draft as part of a deal for Bulls guard Jimmy Butler, ESPNís Marc Stein and Chad Ford report. Minnesota hired former Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau in April as head coach and president.


While Stein and Ford report that the Bulls ďare not believed to be actively looking to moveĒ Butler, they also report that the Celtics are interested in acquiring the All-Star, with a trade centered around Bostonís No. 3 pick.
to me its obvious the bulls need to rebuild ...so I assume its obvious to everyone else

the 3rd or 5th pick plus some young players or picks would go a long way to getting the bulls back up and being a real contender.
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Re: Thibs and Ainge want Jimmy

Bulls should hold out for extremely strong offer. Thomas & 3 or Wiggins & 5. I realize these are unlikely but chicago should feel no pressure to move Butler. If they choose to do so, they should feel like it was an offer they couldn't turn down.
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Re: Thibs and Ainge want Jimmy

I'm fairly certain more teams than these two would be coming out of the woodwork if he was for sure on the block.
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I wouldn't trade Butler for the #5 pick, especially since Boston would give the #3 in a heartbeat.

The Bulls front office need to take advantage of the fact that Minny has a head coach that is calling the shots. Organizations that are run like this can be taken advantage of. The Coach (Thibs) is always in win now mode, and rarely looks to far into the future.

If I were Chicago, I would absolutely try to get Wiggins. If not, I would look to trade Butler elsewhere.
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I wouldn't trade Butler for the #5 pick, especially since Boston would give the #3 in a heartbeat.

The Bulls front office need to take advantage of the fact that Minny has a head coach that is calling the shots. Organizations that are run like this can be taken advantage of. The Coach (Thibs) is always in win now mode, and rarely looks to far into the future.

If I were Chicago, I would absolutely try to get Wiggins. If not, I would look to trade Butler elsewhere.
First of all, they're not getting Wiggins.

Second of all, I think Minnesota would offer LaVine and Pekovic along with the #5 and possibly even a future first as well. That would be the threshold I would be trying to bargain Boston up to if I were really looking to unload Butler.
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Re: Thibs and Ainge want Jimmy

to me it depends on what is offered

the #5 plus a good young talent like lavine to me is worth more than the #3 alone and if you are rebuilding you want good young talent .

and I am pretty sure the bulls aren't getting wiggins ...I wouldn't trade wiggins for butler straight up

I am of the opinion the bulls would rather deal with ainge than risk thibs using butler and being better than the bulls next season....which he is likely to be with or without butler.
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Re: Thibs and Ainge want Jimmy

Do not mention the name Towns and Wiggins.

Wolves can give you whatever you like and anything you want.

#3 is not much better than #5 .
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Re: Thibs and Ainge want Jimmy

curious

Do you want B Griffin?

Blake for jimmy
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First of all, they're not getting Wiggins.

Second of all, I think Minnesota would offer LaVine and Pekovic along with the #5 and possibly even a future first as well. That would be the threshold I would be trying to bargain Boston up to if I were really looking to unload Butler.[/QUOTE]

I agree the Wolves will not part with Wiggins for Butler...

But don't make it sound impossible if there is more involved. Don't underestimate Thibs' love for Butler plus his desire to win now.

As far as picks (3 or 5)... I'm not moving Butler for either. Even if a player like Levine is involved.

Derricks value is going up around the league, and I still believe he is more likely the one that will be dealt.
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First of all, they're not getting Wiggins.

Second of all, I think Minnesota would offer LaVine and Pekovic along with the #5 and possibly even a future first as well. That would be the threshold I would be trying to bargain Boston up to if I were really looking to unload Butler.[/QUOTE]

I agree the Wolves will not part with Wiggins for Butler...

But don't make it sound impossible if there is more involved. Don't underestimate Thibs' love for Butler plus his desire to win now.

As far as picks (3 or 5)... I'm not moving Butler for either. Even if a player like Levine is involved.

Derricks value is going up around the league, and I still believe he is more likely the one that will be dealt.
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Re: Thibs and Ainge want Jimmy

Chicago really wants the No. 5 pick and Andrew Wiggins as part of the deal, Tom Thibodeau have shut off his phone and throw it in the river.
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Re: Thibs and Ainge want Jimmy

I think the Bulls can get more than just the 5th.

I would ask for 5th, 2018 and 2020 unprotected or slightly protected 1sts.

On paper Minnesota should become much better after getting Butler so those picks might not be worth much. But as we've seen with the Celtics, those picks can become 2 lottery picks if things don't work out.
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Re: Thibs and Ainge want Jimmy

I'd trade anyone on the roster for Wiggins at this point, though I agree with those saying that the T-Wolves aren't likely to part with him. We need to hit the reset button and getting a guy like Wiggins would give us something to build around over a longer period of time than Butler would.

As a side rant - I heard someone on the radio a few days ago (J Hood maybe?) saying Wiggins and 5 isn't enough to warrant parting with Butler, I have no idea why people seem to view those assets (AW and #5 ) as having such little value. I didn't get the sense that this draft was 4 deep... and I don't see any reason why Andrew Wiggins isn't a major blue-chip prospect. Am I missing something?
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I heard someone on the radio a few days ago (J Hood maybe?) saying Wiggins and 5 isn't enough to warrant parting with Butler, I have no idea why people seem to view those assets (AW and #5 ) as having such little value. I didn't get the sense that this draft was 4 deep... and I don't see any reason why Andrew Wiggins isn't a major blue-chip prospect. Am I missing something?
You are not missing something. Wiggins and 5 has more value than Jimmy Butler at the moment. That is why I doubt Minnesota would pull the trigger on that deal.
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Do not mention the name Towns and Wiggins.

Wolves can give you whatever you like and anything you want.

#3 is not much better than #5 .

There is no deal with the Wolves that makes sense that does not include Wiggins. Maybe that means no deal is feasible, but Lavine, et al. is not good value.
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