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Old 06-22-2016, 02:28 PM   #16 (permalink)
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No. The Noah / Gasol mistake was having two starting caliber centers on the team at the same time when neither can really play the 4.

Also, the Bulls coach made a mistake in publicly saying Noah was cool coming off the bench when he wasn't.
They didn't do that last year. They tried to go with shooting and spacing... and they did even worse than with Gasol/Noah starting together.
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If anything, I would say this greatly decreases the likelihood of a Jimmy Butler trade and increase the likelihood that they bring back Pau.
0.0% chance that they "bring back" Pau. The only way he comes back is if he exercises his option, which is exceedingly unlikely given he has said he will not.
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0.0% chance that they "bring back" Pau. The only way he comes back is if he exercises his option, which is exceedingly unlikely given he has said he will not.
I don't follow. Why wouldn't they want to resign him after he opts out? He's been their second best player the last 2 seasons.
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I feel like this also paves the way for Dwight Howard to end up on the Knicks.
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I like the move quite a bit. The real question is this: Are you okay chewing up ~$14 million of cap space next season (while still projecting to have a max slot and then some) in order to lock down a good (but not great) starting 5 for 3 years for reasonable money and to get Jerian Grant? To me, that seems reasonable. Though it does have an impact on the 2017 cap, I would think that the Lopez contact is going to be thoroughly moveable once we see what Biyombo, Noah, etc. get this offseason.
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0.0% chance that they "bring back" Pau. The only way he comes back is if he exercises his option, which is exceedingly unlikely given he has said he will not.
I thought so too, but Gar supposedly just said that Calderon gets along with Pau well, so who knows.

But your point... now that I read what you wrote ... is that he won't exercise his option... so that does seem unlikely. Odd that they mentioned him. They can't think Calderon might induce Pau to stay?
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I would be shocked at that.

I would not be surprised to see a much more aggressive Rose willing to sacrifice his body this season, in order to secure another big contract. I'm unsure if that fire inside him exists anymore though, or if his body could hold up to that abuse.
excatly my thoughts. maybe the knicks will re-ignite fire within or will rose continue to play the way he has been lately?
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I don't follow. Why wouldn't they want to resign him after he opts out? He's been their second best player the last 2 seasons.


They will have zero interest. None. Seriously. Local media does not treat it like it's even a remote possibility.

Pau doesn't defend. He plays away from the basket. The Bulls' stated mission is to get "younger and more athletic." Pau ain't that. He will also likely be fairly expensive, unless he's ring-chasing.

Pau seems like a great dude and he could be a nice piece for a team making a title run. That's not the Bulls anymore. They're a team in transition.
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I feel like this also paves the way for Dwight Howard to end up on the Knicks.
How about Jo Noah? Go to NY, reunite with Derrick, etc. I can easily see it.
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I thought so too, but Gar supposedly just said that Calderon gets along with Pau well, so who knows.

But your point... now that I read what you wrote ... is that he won't exercise his option... so that does seem unlikely. Odd that they mentioned him. They can't think Calderon might induce Pau to stay?
Gar also said they were going to sit down with Noah to discuss a new deal on 7/1. Do you think that's really true in any meaningful sense?
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Gar also said they were going to sit down with Noah to discuss a new deal on 7/1. Do you think that's really true in any meaningful sense?
I would think not.

Well, they might discuss a deal. But it probably won't be one that Noah wants to sign.
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They will have zero interest. None. Seriously. Local media does not treat it like it's even a remote possibility.

Pau doesn't defend. He plays away from the basket. The Bulls' stated mission is to get "younger and more athletic." Pau ain't that. He will also likely be fairly expensive, unless he's ring-chasing.

Pau seems like a great dude and he could be a nice piece for a team making a title run. That's not the Bulls anymore. They're a team in transition.
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I like the move quite a bit. The real question is this: Are you okay chewing up ~$14 million of cap space next season (while still projecting to have a max slot and then some) in order to lock down a good (but not great) starting 5 for 3 years for reasonable money and to get Jerian Grant? To me, that seems reasonable. Though it does have an impact on the 2017 cap, I would think that the Lopez contact is going to be thoroughly moveable once we see what Biyombo, Noah, etc. get this offseason.
If the goal is to perhaps make the 1st round of the playoffs and get off the hook on tough decisions on Rose and Noah, this is a good move.

I think, based on what I think managements' goals are, its a good move.

If you are a Bulls fan interested in seeing the Bulls win the NBA Championship, its not really much of a move.

There is no doubt that Lopez seems like a good contract.
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How about Jo Noah? Go to NY, reunite with Derrick, etc. I can easily see it.
I guess he would be much cheaper, but I think Dwight has quite a bit more juice left.
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If the goal is to perhaps make the 1st round of the playoffs and get off the hook on tough decisions on Rose and Noah, this is a good move.

I think, based on what I think managements' goals are, its a good move.

If you are a Bulls fan interested in seeing the Bulls win the NBA Championship, its not really much of a move.

There is no doubt that Lopez seems like a good contract.

What would be the better course of action vis a vis Derrick Rose if the goal is to win a championship?
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