Derrick Rose to Knicks - Page 4 - Basketball Forum : Professional and College Basketball Forums
BasketballForum.com is the premier basketball Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
User Tag List

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-22-2016, 03:32 PM   #46 (permalink)
We Warriors
Photobucket
 
Ballscientist's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Authentic home of We Warriors, the best team in the history
Age: 46
Posts: 15,623
Mentioned: 78 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 732 Post(s)
Re: Derrick Rose to Knicks

Grade for Knicks B+

Dump Robin Lopez to Diaper bag

Grade for Bulls F

Find the Bulls Sxxt in the diaper bag

Robin is worth 4 million, Knicks paid him 54 Mil.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamel Irief View Post
Ballscientist has a Ph.D in Ball science.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sad Mafioso
Unbelievably cruel, utterly offensive, absolutely deplorable, yet strikingly humorous!
Quote:
Originally Posted by afobisme View Post
Ballscientist is using something more powerful than any other human or computer - his brain.
Ballscientist is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 06-22-2016, 06:32 PM   #47 (permalink)
Moderator
Photobucket
 
jnrjr79's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Location Location
Posts: 8,415
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 292 Post(s)
Re: Derrick Rose to Knicks

Quote:
Originally Posted by K4E View Post
What evidence do you have that GarPax or Pax have the ability to land the needed 1A talent by other means?
If you believe the reports, their presentations to LBJ and Carmelo were much better received than others bidding for their services. Obviously, the big fish have not been landed, though, so I agree there is no real guarantee there. But I'm not down for a scenario where the Bulls just give up 2 of the 3 methods of team building. I think we're both in agreement that a new FO is called for at this point, but we also know it's not coming this year.


Quote:
I'm not really for it or against it. I have little faith they will hit in FA, so the cap space isn't worth much. But its a chance. Lopez isn't a real difference maker one way or the other. They will probably just overpay a Ryan Anderson or Harrison Barnes type.
That scenario is my biggest concern and would be a big mistake.

Quote:

Its just sad really, to see what happened with the insane luck of getting the Rose pick and actually getting a MVP level player, and have it all fall apart.

Sad day to see the book closed on Rose.
I agree. Rose's injury luck has been hugely unfortunate.

Quote:

Its not a bad trade for what management wants to do with the team.
I know that's a dig, but the fact is it's "not a bad trade" for anyone, not just what this FO wants to accomplish, which you seem to acknowledge because you do not suggest they should have done anything differently in this particular instance.


Quote:
High picks via trade or losing. I have little faith in this management team making trades or landing free agents to land a superstar.

This roster might make the 1st round of the playoffs and finish above .500. That's the goal and they very well might get back there.
I agree there isn't much reason to believe this FO can get it done. Having Gar stand up there today and brag about how many above .500 seasons they've had was incredibly grating. I don't think many people give a shit about that level of "success."
jnrjr79 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-2016, 06:33 PM   #48 (permalink)
Moderator
Photobucket
 
jnrjr79's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Location Location
Posts: 8,415
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 292 Post(s)
Re: Derrick Rose to Knicks

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ballscientist View Post
Grade for Knicks B+

Dump Robin Lopez to Diaper bag

Grade for Bulls F

Find the Bulls Sxxt in the diaper bag

Robin is worth 4 million, Knicks paid him 54 Mil.

Wonderful analysis. Thanks for contributing.
jnrjr79 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2016, 03:21 AM   #49 (permalink)
Chicago Bulls
 
Ma Baker's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2015
Location: Istanbul/Turkey
Age: 22
Posts: 92
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Re: Derrick Rose to Knicks

Stupidest thing we have ever done ! He served this team for years and they just got rid of him for 34 years old Calderon and Lopez and whatever!
Ma Baker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2016, 07:22 AM   #50 (permalink)
All-Star
 

Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Chicago
Age: 36
Posts: 9,297
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 380 Post(s)
Trade is what it is. I'm just done with the front office. They fully believe that rose was the reason nobody took Fred Hoiberg serious.

If only the Bulls and ownership would put as much effort into winning and talent development as they did when they wrote up a letter aimed at their former coach...
thebizkit69u is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2016, 08:40 AM   #51 (permalink)
K4E
Benchwarmer
 

Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 181
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 122 Post(s)
Re: Derrick Rose to Knicks

Quote:
Originally Posted by thebizkit69u View Post
Trade is what it is. I'm just done with the front office. They fully believe that rose was the reason nobody took Fred Hoiberg serious.

If only the Bulls and ownership would put as much effort into winning and talent development as they did when they wrote up a letter aimed at their former coach...

It seems like many people in this town are pretty negative on GarPax at this point.

If they thought their machinations would make them come out of dumping Thibs, Rose and Noah and replacing them with Hoiball looking good, they thought wrong.

They are still collecting checks though and the head coach isn't showing them up anymore. They have bought time. More checks.

GarPax are started to be hated in this town by more than just a minority. Thibs is universally respected around the league.

If they can get these Bulls actually contending again though, they will look OK. They thought they were better than Thibs. Now they have to prove it with having a contending team again.
K4E is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2016, 09:09 AM   #52 (permalink)
K4E
Benchwarmer
 

Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 181
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 122 Post(s)
Re: Derrick Rose to Knicks

Quote:
Originally Posted by jnrjr79 View Post
I know that's a dig, but the fact is it's "not a bad trade" for anyone, not just what this FO wants to accomplish, which you seem to acknowledge because you do not suggest they should have done anything differently in this particular instance.
The other options were to keep Rose. Or hold off for another offer.

There is a percent chance he's going to have a good year wanting that next contract. Perhaps they catch lightning in a bottle for this one season.

If it doesn't work out, let him walk and you have more Cap Space to sign 2 FAs.

They didn't have to trade for a guy that eats into Cap Space for next season. Lopez is a good value contract, but he's not a guy that really moves the needle.

There are / were other options.
K4E is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2016, 09:21 AM   #53 (permalink)
Never Argue with a Fool
Photobucket
 
RollWithEm's Avatar
 
Space Invaders Champion! Space Invaders Champion! Tetris Champion! Snake Champion! Simon Champion!
Tournaments Won: 1

Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: New Orleans
Posts: 67,762
Mentioned: 653 Post(s)
Tagged: 3 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3873 Post(s)
Re: Derrick Rose to Knicks

Asumming Pau walks, this team will have some cap space to make a move.
__________________
But that's just me.

RWE's Random Questions: (Close Friends, Virginity, Home-Schooling, Wiretapping, Cheating, Piracy, Reality TV)
RWE's Movie Rankings: (Coen Brothers, Stanley Kubrick, Top 90 of the 90's)
RWE's Underground Update - RWE's SciFi Corner
RWE's Smash Central - RWE's Culinary Cul de Sac

2020 KVBL Champion New Orleans Jazz
Bokmeier - Gassama - Baresi - Greil - Hendo - Steele - Jalal

2018 KVBL Champion New Orleans Jazz
Black - Steele - Ocarina - Oliver - Reiser - Arlo - Fenton

2015 FRSL Champion New Orleans Jazz
Lawson - Thabo - Thad - Brow - Big Al - Manu - Jayson
RollWithEm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2016, 09:26 AM   #54 (permalink)
Banned Member
 

Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: San Diego, California
Posts: 4
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Re: Derrick Rose to Knicks

I think that if the Knicks can get Pau or Dwight, they will be contenders next year for the East.
RyanNiel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2016, 11:43 AM   #55 (permalink)
Moderator
Photobucket
 
jnrjr79's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Location Location
Posts: 8,415
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 292 Post(s)
Re: Derrick Rose to Knicks

Quote:
Originally Posted by thebizkit69u View Post
Trade is what it is. I'm just done with the front office. They fully believe that rose was the reason nobody took Fred Hoiberg serious.

If only the Bulls and ownership would put as much effort into winning and talent development as they did when they wrote up a letter aimed at their former coach...
Do they?
jnrjr79 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2016, 11:45 AM   #56 (permalink)
Moderator
Photobucket
 
jnrjr79's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Location Location
Posts: 8,415
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 292 Post(s)
Re: Derrick Rose to Knicks

Quote:
Originally Posted by K4E View Post
The other options were to keep Rose. Or hold off for another offer.

There is a percent chance he's going to have a good year wanting that next contract. Perhaps they catch lightning in a bottle for this one season.

If it doesn't work out, let him walk and you have more Cap Space to sign 2 FAs.

They didn't have to trade for a guy that eats into Cap Space for next season. Lopez is a good value contract, but he's not a guy that really moves the needle.

There are / were other options.
Yes, and it's pretty obvious you are not endorsing either of those options as superior.
jnrjr79 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2016, 12:06 PM   #57 (permalink)
All-Star
 

Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Chicago
Age: 36
Posts: 9,297
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 380 Post(s)
You don't trade him for scraps if you believed that he was a fit with Hoiberg and Butler. You can't have 2 guys ignoring their coach at the same time, now they just have one.
thebizkit69u is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2016, 12:14 PM   #58 (permalink)
Moderator
Photobucket
 
jnrjr79's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Location Location
Posts: 8,415
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 292 Post(s)
Re: Derrick Rose to Knicks

Quote:
Originally Posted by thebizkit69u View Post
You don't trade him for scraps if you believed that he was a fit with Hoiberg and Butler. You can't have 2 guys ignoring their coach at the same time, now they just have one.
You trade him because he sucks at basketball and was leaving next year anyway. I don't really see this as as Hoiberg fit issue, as such.
jnrjr79 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2016, 01:19 PM   #59 (permalink)
K4E
Benchwarmer
 

Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 181
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 122 Post(s)
Re: Derrick Rose to Knicks

Quote:
Originally Posted by jnrjr79 View Post
Yes, and it's pretty obvious you are not endorsing either of those options as superior.
At some point, you have to trust the highly paid front office to make the right calls. They certainly have much more access to information than I do.

We'll know if they made the right call here soon enough.
K4E is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2016, 04:09 PM   #60 (permalink)
Moderator
Photobucket
 
jnrjr79's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Location Location
Posts: 8,415
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 292 Post(s)
Re: Derrick Rose to Knicks

Quote:
Originally Posted by K4E View Post
At some point, you have to trust the highly paid front office to make the right calls. They certainly have much more access to information than I do.

We'll know if they made the right call here soon enough.
Lol, amazing.
jnrjr79 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 01:59 AM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.1
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.1.0 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright 2002 2013 BasketballBoards.net.