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King Joseus 06-22-2016 12:23 PM

Derrick Rose to Knicks
 




Ah, so...

jnrjr79 06-22-2016 12:39 PM

Re: Derrick Rose to Knicks
 
Ho. Lee. Shit.

Dornado 06-22-2016 01:01 PM

Re: Derrick Rose to Knicks
 
It isn't that it was totally unexpected, it just still seems surreal. The end of an era, even if the MVP D-Rose left us a while ago.

King Joseus 06-22-2016 01:03 PM

Re: Derrick Rose to Knicks
 
Woj also now reporting that we're in talks to trade Butler to Heat (3-way with Raps).

29380 06-22-2016 01:12 PM

Re: Derrick Rose to Knicks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by King Joseus (Post 14518946)
Woj also now reporting that we're in talks to trade Butler to Heat (3-way with Raps).

Fake account KJ

Dornado 06-22-2016 01:13 PM

Re: Derrick Rose to Knicks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by King Joseus (Post 14518946)
Woj also now reporting that we're in talks to trade Butler to Heat (3-way with Raps).

Link?

King Joseus 06-22-2016 01:57 PM

Re: Derrick Rose to Knicks
 
Parody account got me. Stupid twitter.

King Joseus 06-22-2016 01:57 PM

Re: Derrick Rose to Knicks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 29380 (Post 14518978)
Fake account KJ

Yeah, saw that.

K4E 06-22-2016 02:04 PM

Re: Derrick Rose to Knicks
 
When analyzing a trade you have to look at what the goal for the team is.

Does this trade, alone, represent a clear move to "win later?" No. If the goal was to blow this team up, this is a step in the wrong direction, given the Lopez contract.

Does this trade, along, represent a clear move to "win now?" No. Even if we replaced Rose from last season with Lopez that won't move the needle in a meaningful way.

What does it actually accomplish for management?

It gets them off the hook for having to make a very hard decision next off-season regarding Derrick Rose, especially since he's going to be going balls-out to have a great season in his contract year, assuming the fire in his belly for such things still exists. And if Rose had a great season, it would be a management nightmare decision.

They also had a somewhat tough call regarding Noah. This move gets them off the hook on not bringing back a popular player.

The Bulls are not currently markedly better now then they were this morning. The Bulls might be worse off for this upcoming season, if Rose did have one monster contract year season left in the tank. But if that happened, management had an impossible choice.

Management now doesn't have to make that choice. That's why this trade was made.

RollWithEm 06-22-2016 02:06 PM

Re: Derrick Rose to Knicks
 
If anything, I would say this greatly decreases the likelihood of a Jimmy Butler trade and increase the likelihood that they bring back Pau.

K4E 06-22-2016 02:15 PM

Re: Derrick Rose to Knicks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RollWithEm (Post 14519130)
If anything, I would say this greatly decreases the likelihood of a Jimmy Butler trade and increase the likelihood that they bring back Pau.

It could. What to do with Robin though? Didn't they learn from their mistake from Gasol / Noah last season?

aleanguiano 06-22-2016 02:17 PM

Re: Derrick Rose to Knicks
 
will derrick rose be able to reach the same level of play that he was at in his first years at chicago?

K4E 06-22-2016 02:18 PM

Re: Derrick Rose to Knicks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aleanguiano (Post 14519146)
will derrick rose be able to reach the same level of play that he was at in his first years at chicago?

I would be shocked at that.

I would not be surprised to see a much more aggressive Rose willing to sacrifice his body this season, in order to secure another big contract. I'm unsure if that fire inside him exists anymore though, or if his body could hold up to that abuse.

RollWithEm 06-22-2016 02:23 PM

Re: Derrick Rose to Knicks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K4E (Post 14519138)
It could. What to do with Robin though? Didn't they learn from their mistake from Gasol / Noah last season?

Don't you mean, didn't they learn from their mistake of Niko/Gasol last season?

K4E 06-22-2016 02:25 PM

Re: Derrick Rose to Knicks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RollWithEm (Post 14519170)
Don't you mean, didn't they learn from their mistake of Niko/Gasol last season?

No. The Noah / Gasol mistake was having two starting caliber centers on the team at the same time when neither can really play the 4.

Also, the Bulls coach made a mistake in publicly saying Noah was cool coming off the bench when he wasn't.


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