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Old 05-22-2002, 05:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Talking The Second Pick!

Okay, this team needs A LOT more than just a high draft pick, but it's a start.

It seems as their choice will be made up, according to what Houston does...I believe Houston will pick up Yao Ming, leaving Jayson Williams for Chicago...

Do they take him? Or does the Bulls have someone else in mind?

The Chicago brain trust has some dents in it, that's for sure. Trading Brand away for an unproven high school star...I still can't believe it.

I believe they should have KEPT Elton Brand, along with Ron Artest, and build around these guys...starting over all the time will keep you in the dumps.
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I really hope they package the pick and get Jalen some proven veteran scoring help!

The Bulls are good defensively, they need help in the points department.

One never knows what KrautHead will do, though!

I wish Mike had bought into the Bulls instead of the Wizards!
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Re: The Second Pick!

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Okay, this team needs A LOT more than just a high draft pick, but it's a start.

It seems as their choice will be made up, according to what Houston does...I believe Houston will pick up Yao Ming, leaving Jayson Williams for Chicago...

Do they take him? Or does the Bulls have someone else in mind?

The Chicago brain trust has some dents in it, that's for sure. Trading Brand away for an unproven high school star...I still can't believe it.

I believe they should have KEPT Elton Brand, along with Ron Artest, and build around these guys...starting over all the time will keep you in the dumps.

Hey ron. I see by your post that you are not a bulls fan. I know what mosty people think abut the trade where Brand went to LAC and we got chandler in the deal. You cant judge the trade now. Many factors were involved in the decision.

1. Brand asked to be traded. He knew JK was going after curry. Knowing that, Brand decided that Curry was not going to be ready and decided that he wanted to move on. Being from a terrible team the year before, no one was untradable. Theres also a lot more to this than JK trading Brand. When both artest and brand was on the same team, Brands low post game hindered Artests game. He was quoted as saying so once Brand left. By the way he came back from the injury this year and played proved somewhat that Artest had a point to prove.

2. That being said, falk is Brands agent and wanted Brand to play for MJ at washington. Why do i say that? Well remember before the draft there was real talk of Brand going to Washington for K Brown (or #1) and or hamilton. So on draft night, Falk and mj knew JK wanted Brown. So to sweeten the deal and stick it to JK they not only asked for Brand but Crawford as well. MJ loved his play in the summer work outs in chicago and so since MJ and falk knew JK wanted brown, they thought they had JK over a barrel. "You want Brown? You give us our price" Well guess what? Jk went to LAC and moved Brand for chandler. Falk was irate to say the least! Not that he traded brand but that he traded Elton to the wrong team!! Remember all the bad things david said after the trade? I bet if Elton was traded to washington, nothing would be said. And MJ was stuck with a player he didnt want and need since he was trying to make the playoffs with what he had. All of that being said, Brand couldnt carry this team. And Brand to a much better Clippers team couldnt make the playoffs!

Artest? He is a good player and proved that by defense and a very suprising offensive game when he came back from the injured list. But Ron makes bad decisions. Due to his youth. Holds the ball too long. Takes ill advised shots. That beig said, when the rose trade came up and we had miller and a package to trade, we had to send something of value. Rons defebse was value. So is millers center spot, which by the way Jk gets no credit of by many people, Brad miller is a solid and cheap center.

We will be ok. We are young. We have a real leader in Rose, From the very first game and no practice with the team, we beat NY. Chandler and Curry played much better with Rose and Best on the team. And oh, yeah Hassell a secnd round pick by the bulls is not too shabby either.

What do we do? Easy! Draft jay will and wait and see what happens fro trade offers! In the worse case we keep the college player of the year to play guard and open it up even more for chandler and curry. We were 9-21 with Rose and best on this team after the trade. With Rose from trading camp day 1 that in itself should add 5 wins to this team with no draft pick at all being added. Thats roughly 32 wins. (9-21 clip is roughly a 27 win team with no improvement)

Im sorry this was so long and most of my posts are not so winded. But when someone makes a statement like the bulls should not of traded Brand and artest it diserves a real answer!

One last point. Curry is a post player as well. Many people believe that brand and curry couldnt have existed on the same team. Some say Curry is a brand only taller.

Artest, Is a very good defensive player. But makes a lot of bad dec
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ok sicky i will bite! Who is it? By the way good to see you over here. We miss you at realgm
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Thanks for the clarification, truebluefan.

I do recall the discussion where Artest's game was hindered by Brand's low post game. Thanks for reminding me.

I understand the need to keep tweaking to get it right. It's too bad that Krause couldn't get Brand and Artest to work together; I feel they would have made a great nucleus to build a team around.

In any event, that's past history. Who do they pick at 2nd?
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More Bulls fans! Great!

Jay Williams - why does that stat line NOT surprise me? I am very picky about seeing college players before I make a choice as to whether they can make it in the NBA.

I only hope that Chicago gets Jalen some shooting help, as I said, they had good defense, a GREAT coach, who knows this game, and all they need is a pure shooter. Curry and Chandler will come along, as they certainly did under Cartwright, and they'll continue to improve and then - watch out!

As for the draft, just get a pure shooter (they can and will learn the NBA defense) is all I ask for when it comes to the Bulls.
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i thought thats who you would say. I agree jay had a bad tourney. Sometimes in the nba people have bad playoff series. Does that mean you trade them all the time? Tyron Hill not included.

I know. I know. But i saw jay come up big in a lot of games before that. I think last year it was amazing, the maryland game where they were ahead by like 20 points. By shear will, Jay kept them in the game. He refused to let them get beat. They won in overtime. Thats just one game.

I know in the indiana game he came up with huge shots to keep Duke close, but his FT cost them the game.

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ty ron. You had a difference of opinion and responded maturely. Thats refreshing!

Who do we take at #2? Thats easy! If Houston takes ming, we draft jay williams. We already are getting offers for both players! We could trade either one of them or in the worse case keep williams.
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hey the rifleman. good to meet you

Scoring is not the problem with this team. Scoring was up when rose and best joined. Defense was the problem, That will come in time IMO, with experience and playing together. But i think we will get some scoring from this draft as well. Even with our second round pick. Some pretty good players might slip to the second round.
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ok sicky. Fair enough. they were bad games. But everyone has bad games. Even MJ. Didnt he score below 10 points twice this year? I agree. Those were bad games. But what about the good ones?

http://goduke.fansonly.com/sports/m-...-spec-rel.html

Read the archives and box scores. He has many, many good games as well.
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Yes but what about Jamal Crawford, do you just give up on him?
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Yes but what about Jamal Crawford, do you just give up on him?
Good question! No we dont

Crawford is and can be a combination guard. Doesnt New Orleans do the same? Isnt davis and wesley both pgs in reality?

In the triangle, a true pg is not needed. Rose is our point forward similar to pippen. Note i did not say he was pippen but similar in the fact that the ball will go through him. So, i think Crawford could be and is a SG as well. This will not hurt us as Crawford stated himself.
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sicky i cant argue with your points when you put it that way.

As for what the bulls might do, it could be anything or nothing as far as jay is concerned. We have many options, imo.
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If we trade Jay Williams I think we need to get a good veteran in return.
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