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Old 07-19-2016, 06:33 AM   #16 (permalink)
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See, that's my concern. They're not going to bring back equal near-term value. Moving them (smartly) would be a step along the path of positioning the team to continue overhauling itself through the draft. And at this point they may as well move along with it. I'd prefer to see them bottom out and net a real stud or two in foreseeable drafts than improve just enough to stay in the middle of the pack (bottom of the lottery or just outside it) for the next several seasons.
And that window is closing. As Mudiay, Murray, Jokic, and Nurkic improve, even getting rid of the vets won't be enough for them to truly bottom out. The time is now.
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Old 07-19-2016, 06:54 AM   #17 (permalink)
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And that window is closing. As Mudiay, Murray, Jokic, and Nurkic improve, even getting rid of the vets won't be enough for them to truly bottom out. The time is now.
Hmm. We'll see. I'm not that impressed by that quartet yet. If they exceed my modest expectations, maybe they have a better chance than I think of adding a second-tier free agent next summer.
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See, that's my concern. They're not going to bring back equal near-term value. Moving them (smartly) would be a step along the path of positioning the team to continue overhauling itself through the draft. And at this point they may as well move along with it. I'd prefer to see them bottom out and net a real stud or two in foreseeable drafts than improve just enough to stay in the middle of the pack (bottom of the lottery or just outside it) for the next several seasons.
Yea, I don't see Denver getting equal value back for Gallinari, owing to his status as an expiring contract, but that contract is also the same reason it's probably time to move him - plenty of teams are likely to come calling next summer, and there's a good chance he jumps to a playoff team somewhere (I could see Boston pursuing him if they strike out on the headliners next summer) and Denver winds up with nothing. Is he eligible for a renegotiation and extension? I'm not sure that giving him a hefty raise is what's best for the Nuggets, but with the way they seem to be building I wouldn't be surprised if they burned some of the cap space they have doing so, and Gallinari's injury-prone enough for it to make a ton of sense for him.
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Yea, I don't see Denver getting equal value back for Gallinari, owing to his status as an expiring contract, but that contract is also the same reason it's probably time to move him - plenty of teams are likely to come calling next summer, and there's a good chance he jumps to a playoff team somewhere (I could see Boston pursuing him if they strike out on the headliners next summer) and Denver winds up with nothing. Is he eligible for a renegotiation and extension? I'm not sure that giving him a hefty raise is what's best for the Nuggets, but with the way they seem to be building I wouldn't be surprised if they burned some of the cap space they have doing so, and Gallinari's injury-prone enough for it to make a ton of sense for him.
It's largely the realization that Gallinari is the Nuggets' best scorer that leaves me convinced they need to get worse in order to get better. He's probably not more than the third option on offense for a real contender. I wouldn't expect equal/fair value for him. Just a draft pick and an opportunity for the youngsters to play more.
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On a relevant note, I will confess to having seen little of Murray. Anyone with a more informed perspective than mine care to venture an opinion about his functional role in the NBA?

The fact that he's billed as a combo guard coming out of the draft suggests to me he's likely to wind up as a Ben Gordon-like tweener who doesn't quite have the size or athleticism to defend the 2 position nor the playmaking abilities and instincts to man the 1. A handful of players manage to transcend the "combo" tag and thrive at PG (Westbrook, Curry), but most don't.
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I watched him at Kentucky and I saw some of his games in the summer league. He can score, and I get why people compare him with Brandon Roy. I don't see him as a point guard, I think he can evolve into a deadly all around scoring threat. He wasn't playing point at Kentucky either.



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Murray certainly seems like a MUCH better prospect at this point than Mudiay.

On another note, isn't it crazy that the Nuggets could generate this type of spirited conversation just a few short months ago? That password snafu really was the last nail in the coffin for this place.
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So if you were to list their best assets, how would you order them?

1) Jokic
2) Jamal Murray
3) Mudiay
4) Faried?
5) Nurkic??
6) Gary Harris???
7) Will Barton????

It is well within the realm of possibility that not a single one of those players will ever start for a 55-win Nuggets team. I definitely see them as still being in the early stages of a rebuild.

They have their own pick and also Memphis' pick this coming season. I would imagine this team is going to finish somewhere between 28 and 38 wins this year. So their pick will likely be in the 6-10 range (unless the ping pong balls fall in their favor). The Grizzlies will probably be a bottom 4 playoff team in the West. I would guess the median result for those picks is around 8th and 19th. That's not horrible in a loaded draft, but it's not exactly a guaranteed windfall, either.

I guess the question would be whether they will ever be bad enough to bottom out with all the young talent they already have.

I'm going to predict that their next 50 win season is at least 3 years away if not 4 or 5.
Nurkic is gone now and they had to dump the Grizzlies pick in that deal. So two of their top 10 best assets just disappeared in a trade and got them back a Plumlee. Yikes. #FreeJokic
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