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Old 06-26-2011, 04:47 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Andre Drummond

The next great Centre prospect could challenge the NBA Eligibility rules and attempt to come straight from high school due to his age.

He's touted as a Dwight Howard and A'mare hybrid. That is 'holy ****' status. His body has been NBA ready for years and he is a monster.

What does everyone think of this kid? A sure fire number one draft choice in whatever class he decides to declare, even the stocked 2012 one.

This kid is 6'11 and stacked. Just watch the way he moves, as a basketball fan, I couldn't be anymore excited.

This is from his 2010 HS season;




This is from his 2011 HS season; Man among boys has never been so obvious

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I thought he gave a great, un-Greg Oden-like answer to the question of whether he loves the game of basketball. He basically says if you are asking me that question, you don't know me very well. I've always had a basketball in my hands. I never played anything else growing up. I'm devoted to the game.
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Re: Andre Drummond

You can feel free to quote passages from Insider Articles, and you probably should in this case, so that everyone else can see what you're commenting on.
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Re: Andre Drummond

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It's not every day you walk into a gym and see a 6-foot-11, 270-pound big man with a 7-foot-5 wingspan do the things Drummond can do. In my 15 years of covering the NBA draft, you come across athletes like Drummond only once or twice a decade -- strong, huge, explosive and unusually quick for someone his size.

Why didn't Drummond dominate every game at UConn? I ask myself that over and over again. I watched Drummond at least 10 times this year. He exploded for a huge dunk here and there. Occasionally took over the game for a few minutes. He could be special, like he was against Syracuse in the Big East tournament. Or he could disappear like he did against Iowa State in the first round of the NCAA tournament. Usually I left a little disappointed every time I saw him play. There's so much there to work with and so little production.

Telep is sympathetic. Between high school games, AAU tournaments and camps, he watched Drummond play more than 25 times before he played a game for the Huskies.

"The questions you're asking yourself right now I've been asking for four years. I've seen Drummond dominate a game, especially when he was matched up against another top prospect like Ike Austin or Mitch McGary. He wanted to prove he's the best player in the building. But I've never seen it consistently. He's never brought it from game to game. Sometimes it's there. Most of the time it wasn't. If he has a killer instinct, he doesn't turn it on very often."

The asterisk.

There's always one with players like Drummond. Elite size? Poor athlete. Elite athlete? Bad motor. Great motor? Can't shoot. Great shooter? Undersized. I could keep going on and on.

Drummond's dilemma is the same one we discussed last week with Perry Jones. Great athlete. Great size. Questionable motor/passion for the game.

Ravin, whose clients include Carmelo Anthony, Amare Stoudemire and a number of other NBA All-Stars, has been dubbed the Hoops Whisperer. He is known for getting into the heads of talented and sometimes troubled players and getting them to believe in themselves. He's also known for helping players add more versatility to their game.

"Idan knows skills work," Stoudemire told the Times. "He knows how to get you versatile."

It sounds like Ravin might already be in Drummond's head. Drummond has lost 22 pounds since starting his workouts. He's also sped up, and now Drummond isn't so sure he should be forced to live in the paint in the NBA either. He says his favorite player is Kevin Durant, not Dwight Howard or Shaquille O'Neal. Like Durant and Jones, he isn't afraid to take jumpers instead of hook shots in the paint.

Being big always is a premium commodity for NBA scouts come draft time. But not always for the players.

"The game isn't as fun for big men," one ex-NBA player turned front office executive told ESPN.com. "You run up and down the floor and depend on your guards to get you the ball. Lots of times you leave empty-handed. Every big guy dreams of handling the ball and taking 20 to 30 shots a night."

The difference between Durant and Drummond, however, is enormous. Both players were used very differently by their college coaches and had very different results.

Drummond averaged 10 ppg as a freshman and didn't make a 3-pointer all year. Durant averaged nearly 26 ppg and made 82 3s. But the bigger issue is that killer instinct. The eye of the tiger. Durant was skinny and not very explosive, but everyone who saw him play knew he had "it." Durant wanted to win at all costs and had had ice running through his veins with the game hanging in the balance. Drummond has yet to show us the "it."

Thus, the questions. And unfortunately, not enough answers.

Some team is going to fall in love with Drummond during workouts. Others will be scared to death.

At 18 years old, he's the second-youngest player in this year's draft class. He has a lot of time and space to grow his game. With age, maturity and being nurtured in the right system, he might be the next Dwight Howard, the next Andrew Bynum or if you want to lower your sights a little -- the next DeAndre Jordan.

Or he might not be. Kwame Brown and Darko Milicic proved that size and athletic ability alone don't guarantee NBA success.

Drummond is the next test case. Dwight or Kwame? Bynum or Darko? Someone in between? Tyson Chandler or DeAndre Jordan perhaps?

With Davis a lock to go No. 1, some poor GM with the No. 2 pick will effectively be on the clock around 8:30 p.m. I have Telep's phone number if they need it.
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I would. But I'd be scared to death after doing so. Huge upside, huge bust potential.
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Re: Andre Drummond

You have to imagine just given his body composition and physical skillset that he's, at the very least, going to be a rotation big. To assume he's a Dwight Howard/Amare hybrid is definitely being optimistic, but he absolutely has the tools necessary to make that a reasonable comparison.

I wouldn't mind risking a high pick on the kid, with upside like that at such a weak position...he sure seems enticing.
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You have to imagine just given his body composition and physical skillset that he's, at the very least, going to be a rotation big. To assume he's a Dwight Howard/Amare hybrid is definitely being optimistic, but he absolutely has the tools necessary to make that a reasonable comparison.

I wouldn't mind risking a high pick on the kid, with upside like that at such a weak position...he sure seems enticing.
For every Dwight Howard there're a Thabeet, Oden, Brown, Curry and Darko though.

Drafting a big is risky business. They so rarely pan out like they should.
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I do agree to an extent, but Kwame and Darko still ended up being rotation big men. Greg Oden doesn't really fit in that category, only because he played at a relatively high level when he was on the court. I think not living up to hype because of injury is different than not living up to hype because you're just not that talented, but that's a whole other discussion and I get your general point.

It's risky business for sure, and I don't even know if I believe he will fully pan out (especially with references to Dwight Howard/Amare out there), but I would definitely take my chances with the kid. Even if he's 75% of what he "could" be, that's still going to net you a nice player.
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I do agree to an extent, but Kwame and Darko still ended up being rotation big men. Greg Oden doesn't really fit in that category, only because he played at a relatively high level when he was on the court. I think not living up to hype because of injury is different than not living up to hype because you're just not that talented, but that's a whole other discussion and I get your general point.

It's risky business for sure, and I don't even know if I believe he will fully pan out (especially with references to Dwight Howard/Amare out there), but I would definitely take my chances with the kid. Even if he's 75% of what he "could" be, that's still going to net you a nice player.
I added Oden only because injury problems for big men are quite prominent these days.
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Re: Andre Drummond

Fair enough, I might admittedly be sensitive about Oden too because I was so assured he was going to be a stud (and was even validated by his play for the most part).

I think Andre Drummond has a real shot to at least be a Roy Hibbert caliber big man, what do you think about that?
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I would feel a lot more secure drafting him if I had a vet team than I would if I had a rebuilding one.
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Fair enough, I might admittedly be sensitive about Oden too because I was so assured he was going to be a stud (and was even validated by his play for the most part).

I think Andre Drummond has a real shot to at least be a Roy Hibbert caliber big man, what do you think about that?
I have no idea to tell you the truth. I haven't actually seen Drummond much other than what I've read and the quick video's I've seen on here.
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Kenny Smith said it best: "You don't have to wait on greatness". If a player has it, you can see it. When has Drummond or Oden ever been dominant ? If you've seen this fine but, I haven't.

Oden was one of those guys pegged since jr. high to be great but, never "did" it. His one year at Ohio st. he had a broken hand. Against the olympic team ( or whatever that team was) he had the flu. First year at Port. He hurt his knee, no one knows how.

Drummond is much the same way. Sure vets could teach this guy to be mature and all that. But, he has to have something inside. He reminds me of Cousins. Big, talented, passionate but, at Kentucky it was Wall taking the lead. Even though Wall can't shoot, you can see he has something. He never gives up.

Some guys are happy being ordinary. $3 million in a rookie salary is great money for most. That might be enough for Drummond. Don't know if he wants to be great though.
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Who was the last big with concerns like these to pan out and be an all-star? I'm not making a point (yet) I legit want to know the answer
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