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Old 03-17-2013, 08:30 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Victor Oladipo - SG - Indiana

6'5" 210, good size, good work ethic, has shown the ability to progress, and has a great all around game.
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re: Victor Oladipo - SG - Indiana

I'm not sure if he is really going to develop into a top scorer (20+ points) in the NBA. The Dwyane Wade comparisons seem a bit optimistic, I think he is going to be more like Andre Iguodala without the playmaking ability, but a better shooter and more efficient scorer overall.
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He's just an athletic wing who can blow by guys and knock down open 3s. Could be an All-Defensive player. Want him.
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re: Victor Oladipo - SG - Indiana

I think trying to find an exact comparison for him isn't worth the effort, he is Victor Oladipo and that is going to be enough for him to be a successful and impactful NBA player. Is he a superstar? Who knows, probably not something you would assume at this point. But is he a guy that would help pretty much every single team in the NBA? Oh yeah.

Can't you just see how perfect it would be for this kid to fall to a team like the Cavs? Play with Kyrie Irving for the next 5-10 years? Maybe the Timberwolves? Possibly even the Hornets?
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re: Victor Oladipo - SG - Indiana

Oladipo's evolved so much in the past two years that I'd have to think he'll continue to improve. 2 years ago he couldn't dribble, make anything outside 12 feet, and was essentially an above-average defender and overrated athlete. Now he's a much more complete player and his athleticism has turned into everything it's been hyped up to be.

People have been calling him the next Dwyane Wade, probably because he's coached by Tom Crean, but there is some justification to that. He's nowhere close to Wade in terms of passing and handling abilities, but he moves like him, blocks shots, and rebounds like him. He even has Wade's old explosiveness and a similar build. He's turned into quite the scorer at the collegiate level as well.

Earlier this season, I had my doubts that Victor could even turn into a NBA 2-guard because of his utter lack of guard skills. Last year, he turned the ball over excessively and had a poor handle, but this season he's been a solid second ball handler.

His jump shot has improved dramatically. Last season, I'd cringe if he took an open 16 footer. This year, he's been knocking down some 3's and even has confidence in making them. He can shoot well off the dribble and we even have some plays to get him open for mid-range jumpers.

Overall, I'd say he falls somewhere between Tony Allen and D-Wade. In his rookie year, he'll probably be more Tony Allen on offense, but given his improvements the last two seasons, you can see how hard he works, and it's not unreasonable to think he'll develop some good weapons on the offensive end. I was skeptical a month or two ago, but now I'd absolutely take him in the lottery this year.
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re: Victor Oladipo - SG - Indiana

He's not Wade and I despise that comparison. Wade had the quickest first step of anyone in the NBA for years and Oladipo, quite frankly, is nowhere near that class of player. Still, I can't think of a comparison for him off the top of my head just because he has developed a 3 point shot. Usually guys like him never learn to shoot.

Wade dropped 21/6/4 his junior year while only shooting 31% from deep. Oladipo is at 13.7/6/2 on 46% shooting from deep. Completely different. I don't see the kind of creativity and virtuosity from Oladipo that I saw from Wade with his scoring.
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re: Victor Oladipo - SG - Indiana

I think the comparison to a three point shooting Tony Allen is far more realistic than the comparison to Wade. I like Oladipo a lot, but he's never going to be that type of player from what I can see. Who knows how he will progress though, I think he's going to be a quality addition to an NBA roster though. I would feel comfortable drafting him 5-10 in this particular draft.
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He's not Wade and I despise that comparison. Wade had the quickest first step of anyone in the NBA for years and Oladipo, quite frankly, is nowhere near that class of player. Still, I can't think of a comparison for him off the top of my head just because he has developed a 3 point shot. Usually guys like him never learn to shoot.

Wade dropped 21/6/4 his junior year while only shooting 31% from deep. Oladipo is at 13.7/6/2 on 46% shooting from deep. Completely different. I don't see the kind of creativity and virtuosity from Oladipo that I saw from Wade with his scoring.
You're not looking at this correctly.

1. Oladipo has a damn quick first step, great straight line drives, and has been in particular evolving with shifting moves (although he doesn't have a two-step). He's not that creative on offense and he doesn't have Wade's mid-range or post game, but he's pretty good. I think the tools are there for him to become a moderately-effective scorer in the NBA.

2. Oladipo doesn't necessary "have" a 3-point shot. It's still his last tool in the box on the offensive end and he'll really only use it if teams are backing off of him. He's shooting better because he's improved quite a bit on his mechanics and obviously repetition, but he really only shoots good 3's, which explains the high %. For now, I'd use that as the last part of his game in a comparison to anyone. He's still not a shooter, but he might be developing into one.

He's definitely not Dwyane Wade and he's not going to be a superstar, but you can't deny the similarities in their build, athleticism, movements, and overall game (minus handling and passing, which Oladipo has improved dramatically on and could feasibly continue with). That's all I'm saying. I don't think it's ridiculous to say Oladipo could be a poor man's Wade at maybe 15/6/3/2 in a few short years. Starting out, though, he's not going to score much, which is where the Tony Allen comparison comes in. It really depends a lot on where he's drafted and if said team will want to develop him into a defensive stopper, or utilize his athleticism as a 3rd offensive option.
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re: Victor Oladipo - SG - Indiana

The Dwyane Wade comparison is bad because the defining quality of young Wade was his excellent, crafty handle and incredible balance. Oladipo has thrown in some nice crossovers and has similar leaping ability, but he doesn't combine it with that euro style shiftyness like Wade did. Also remember Wade was a point guard when he came in. There is no chance Oladipo can play point guard in the NBA.

Nobody is going to want to hear this that drafts him, but the best comparison for Oladipo is Corey Brewer. That's not supposed to be an insult, Brewer was an excellent college player and won two national championships.
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re: Victor Oladipo - SG - Indiana

He can knock down the open 3, and as a wing in the NBA with a decent point guard, he should have a couple of those per night. If he can only hit 40% of those he has a good three point shot. I'm not saying that he'll clear out the offense and pull up with a hand in his face from 30 feet like T-Mac used to do.

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The Dwyane Wade comparison is bad because the defining quality of young Wade was his excellent, crafty handle and incredible balance. Oladipo has thrown in some nice crossovers and has similar leaping ability, but he doesn't combine it with that euro style shiftyness like Wade did. Also remember Wade was a point guard when he came in. There is no chance Oladipo can play point guard in the NBA.

Nobody is going to want to hear this that drafts him, but the best comparison for Oladipo is Corey Brewer. That's not supposed to be an insult, Brewer was an excellent college player and won two national championships.
Brewer wasn't as explosive though, but he is 6'8''.
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The Dwyane Wade comparison is bad because the defining quality of young Wade was his excellent, crafty handle and incredible balance. Oladipo has thrown in some nice crossovers and has similar leaping ability, but he doesn't combine it with that euro style shiftyness like Wade did. Also remember Wade was a point guard when he came in. There is no chance Oladipo can play point guard in the NBA.
I agree that it's not a perfect comparison, but it's not bad. I thought it was a terrible comparison until a few months ago when I saw Oladipo finally looking adequate at handling and passing the ball. He's definitely not crafty and or as shifty as Wade, but I'd say he has pretty good balance and his shiftyness is in progress.

And yes, again, the main point that's off with the comparison is that Wade was a big PG at first, whereas Oladipo is still a tiny Small Forward in progress of becoming a Shooting Guard. But not all comparisons are perfect, and neither is the Tony Allen one.

Even if it's not a perfect comparison, I'd say they share probably 7-8 traits that make them similar players. Not similar caliber players, but similar players.

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He can knock down the open 3, and as a wing in the NBA with a decent point guard, he should have a couple of those per night. If he can only hit 40% of those he has a good three point shot. I'm not saying that he'll clear out the offense and pull up with a hand in his face from 30 feet like T-Mac used to do.
Yes, I agree. He absolutely needs a good floor general out there, and I actually attribute a good portion of his success to having Yogi Ferrell this season. Jordan Hulls and Remy Abell are hardly PG's, and the reliance on Oladipo's ball handling last season was way too high.

As far as his three, though, he shoots less than 2 per game, and those are only very good 3's that are wide open. His form looks good, though. He's always straight and on balance, and since about December it's looked the same pretty much every time. I'm not predicting it, but I could see him pulling a Kawhi Leonard with that 3 point shot, although I don't think I've ever seen him attempt one from the corner. I highly doubt he shoots 40% in the pros where larger, quicker players will be closing out on him better, at least in his first few seasons. But I could really see him thriving in Minnesota, or even Washington/Cleveland off the bench.
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re: Victor Oladipo - SG - Indiana

He hit the big shot late today.

I don't imagine him getting abused by Khalif Wyatt is going to be on his highlight reel though.
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A sleeper at No. 1?

Victor Oladipo probably received the most positive feedback of anyone at the camp. Oladipo did not participate in drills either Thursday or Friday, but he was terrific in the athletic testing, measured out a bit taller than expected and impressed a number of teams in the interview section.

While no one I spoke with declared him the top player on their draft boards, a number of GMs told me Oladipo was their favorite player in the draft, possibly the player with the most upside of anyone on the board.

"Athletically he's so gifted," one GM said. "And he combines that with hard work both in the game and in practice. He keeps working on his game and getting better. His attitude was just special in the interview we had. He's humble, but confident. He doesn't draw attention to himself, but when he speaks he sounds like a leader. I worry about his jump shot a little and his ball handling, too. But I really feel like he's going to get better. And if he does? We'll all regret not taking him. All of us."

I wouldn't be surprised if, by the end of this process, Oladipo ends up No. 1 or No. 2 on a number of boards.
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I would imagine if I was a GM, a guy like Oladipo screams "no-brainer". Talented, smart, hardworking, good teammate, athletic, etc. He brings a lot of things to the table, and he is somebody with definite potential.
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In a lot of ways I like him more than McLemore as he projects much better defensively and has a more complete game. He's one of the projected top five guys that Boston's interviewed, and I wouldn't be disappointed if he was the guy they were targeting.
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