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Old 07-24-2013, 08:05 AM   #76 (permalink)
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If MLB really wanted to start slowing down the ped problem they need to give teams the option to terminate contracts. The Brewers owe Braun over 100 million dollars over the next 6 years to be the anti-face of their orginazation. Braun probably still has the talent to produce and nobody knows exactly what he was putting in his body and what kind of affects it had.. but the Brewers being the smallest market in MLB are being bent over a table in this situation... this pretty much sent the team back 10 years
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If MLB really wanted to start slowing down the ped problem they need to give teams the option to terminate contracts. The Brewers owe Braun over 100 million dollars over the next 6 years to be the anti-face of their orginazation. Braun probably still has the talent to produce and nobody knows exactly what he was putting in his body and what kind of affects it had.. but the Brewers being the smallest market in MLB are being bent over a table in this situation... this pretty much sent the team back 10 years
A-Roid is going to be the seminal case here.
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None of us might live to see the end up of the legal wrangling if they ban A-Rod for life. Have to guess that a bunch of lawyers end up making millions off of it.
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If MLB really wanted to start slowing down the ped problem they need to give teams the option to terminate contracts. The Brewers owe Braun over 100 million dollars over the next 6 years to be the anti-face of their orginazation. Braun probably still has the talent to produce and nobody knows exactly what he was putting in his body and what kind of affects it had.. but the Brewers being the smallest market in MLB are being bent over a table in this situation... this pretty much sent the team back 10 years
Considering he's rich and has the ability to go to a doctor every week or so and get blood work and liver tests done. He's probably in no harm at all. The people that abuse steroids and young kids who don't know how to level off on Pcts and don't have the money to get normal blood work done are the ones that suffer.
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and that doesn't mean give me one example or 2 of a pro athlete being severely ruined from steroids. Because the majority of body builders who are known steroids users throughout their career are fine. But of course someone will bring up the one or 2 examples of someone being ****ed up
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Joe Jackson got banned for far less than A-Roid.
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Joe Jackson didn't do anything. He hit like .370 that series. wrong place wrong time and illiterate
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Shoeless Joe probably didn't do anything, beyond not snitching on the guys who did throw the series. This isn't the same thing though. Rodriquez is probably worth over a quarter of a billion dollars. He can afford to fight this shit for the rest of his life and since he's going to lose a hundred million dollars from a lifetime ban, he's going to fight it for a long, long time.
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Shoeless Joe took the money.

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Eight Men Out wasn't non-fiction. Jackson knew what was going on, but just didn't rat out his teammates (because the White Sox were paying him). There are a lot of other similar misstatements in the material (there was a year that the White Sox screwed Eddie Cicotte out of bonus money, but it was '17 or '18, not the year of the World Series). Anyway, back in those days thousandaires didn't have much chance fighting millionaires. But multimillionaires absolutely have a shot against billionaires. And this is why I think it will be a ban for the remainder of this year and all of next. (Also, dollars to doughnuts that the small market teams would go apeshit if this contract were cleaned off the Yankee books.)
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Eight Men Out wasn't non-fiction. Jackson knew what was going on, but just didn't rat out his teammates (because the White Sox were paying him). There are a lot of other similar misstatements in the material (there was a year that the White Sox screwed Eddie Cicotte out of bonus money, but it was '17 or '18, not the year of the World Series). Anyway, back in those days thousandaires didn't have much chance fighting millionaires. But multimillionaires absolutely have a shot against billionaires. And this is why I think it will be a ban for the remainder of this year and all of next. (Also, dollars to doughnuts that the small market teams would go apeshit if this contract were cleaned off the Yankee books.)
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The vast majority of players implicated in the Biogenesis investigation plan on accepting suspensions of at least 50 games, major league sources told Yahoo! Sports, with a notable exception: New York Yankees star Alex Rodriguez continues to hold out in spite of threats from Major League Baseball to ban him from the game.

Faced with a litany of evidence including text messages to Biogenesis clinic founder Tony Bosch promising to send money in exchange for performance-enhancing drugs, upward of a dozen players are expected to agree to suspensions offered by the league within the next 72 hours, sources said.
Rodriguez, meanwhile, is obstinate in his plans to appeal any suspension despite what one source deemed “overwhelming” evidence tying him to extensive performance-enhancing drug use as well as interfering with the league’s investigation into Biogenesis, the south Florida wellness clinic at the center of the latest PED controversy.

By threatening to suspend Rodriguez under a best-interests-of-baseball clause in the collective-bargaining agreement rather than the agreed-upon discipline of the league’s joint drug agreement, commissioner Bud Selig amped up the game of chicken between MLB and Rodriguez. The fear inside baseball is that if Rodriguez appeals a suspension, he could be playing games within the next week while the rest of the players in the Biogenesis case, including the already-suspended Ryan Braun, are sidelined.

Because baseball is disciplining players under the non-analytical-positive section of the drug agreement, the open-ended penalty structure allowed the league leeway to pursue suspensions of more than the typical 50 games for a first offense. With the possibility of the league imposing longer suspensions on those who did not cooperate, players are finalizing agreements that will allow them to play toward the end of September and into the playoffs, sources said.

MLB set 50 games as a baseline for players involved with Biogenesis, sources said, and those who did not cooperate during the investigation agreed to receive additional penalties of double-digit games.
With the players who already have been suspended for positive tests attributed to Biogenesis products (Bartolo Colon, Yasmani Grandal and Melky Cabrera) likely avoiding suspension, nine known players and more whose names have not been reported are almost certain to take plea deals, sources said.

The biggest names are Detroit shortstop Jhonny Peralta and Texas outfielder Nelson Cruz, both of whom are free agents this offseason. The incentive to take deals is great for each in spite of how it may affect their teams during the playoff hunt. The possibility of a longer suspension for not cooperating would greatly affect their market value as a free agent – especially with a potential 100-game suspension hanging over their heads. A large group of players agreeing to similar suspensions could be seen around baseball more as a necessary penalty for a mistake than selfish team abandonment.

Other players who could take the pleas include: San Diego shortstop Everth Cabrera, New York Yankees catcher Francisco Cervelli, three minor leaguers (Jesus Montero, Cesar Puello and Fernando Martinez) and two free agents (Jordan Norberto and Fautino De Los Santos).

MLB’s hardline stance on Rodriguez has not produced similar results. His refusal to agree to a significant suspension – at least 100 games, far longer than Braun’s or any of the other players’ – prompted Selig to pull out the nuclear option of a workaround to prevent him from playing.

Selig potentially resorting to such tactics, even if they are a bluff, miffed a number of players on the MLB Players Asssociation’s executive board, sources said. The union’s cooperation throughout the Biogenesis investigation has been paramount to the pursuit of suspensions, and Selig could run the risk of starting a massive fight with the union if Rodriguez continues to refuse to negotiate.

By circumventing the drug agreement, MLB could prevent Rodriguez from playing immediately rather than allowing him to play as an arbitrator hears his appeal on the Biogenesis-related suspension.

Rodriguez’s lawyer, David Cornwell, told ESPN radio on Monday that he plans on appealing any suspension.
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Goodbye Peralta... Just as the offense is starting to hum. Only scored less than 5 runs 3 times since the break... 77 runs in 12 games (6.4 per). A +43 run differential over those 12 games.
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The part at the end is the big part. The only reason Bosch is helping MLB is because he wants them to convince the Federales to leave him alone. If the Feds get involved in this, Bosch probably has no reason to go on cooperating.
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MLB bans loom Monday for A-Rod, 12 others -- including 3 new names

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Suspensions for Alex Rodriguez and 12 others in the Biogenesis cases are expected to be announced Monday, according to people familiar with the case. At least in the case of Rodriguez, the Yankees indeed have been notified that he'll be suspended Monday.

With no evidence yet that Rodriguez is trying to negotiate down his suspension offer in the final hours, he's expected to be suspended through the 2014 season when the penalties are announced around noon or 1 p.m. ET Monday. A-Rod's camp is aware that the MLB suspension will go through '14, meaning 214 games. Twelve others, including three new names, are thought to be on the suspension list.

If Rodriguez appeals, as now assumed, he'll be able to play Monday. Commissioner Bud Selig decided not to go to the extreme measure to invoke the "best interests" clause from the Collective Bargaining Agreement, which could have kept A-Rod off the field. So it looks like he's likely to play Monday in Chicago for the Yankees.

Tigers shortstop Jhonny Peralta, Mariners catcher Jesus Montero, Rangers outfielder Nelson Cruz, Padres shortstop Everth Cabrera and Yankees catcher Francisco Cervelli are among major-leaguers expected to be suspended, as are minor leaguers Fernando Martinez, Jordan Norberto, Fautino de los Santos and Cesar Puello. Three other players whose names haven't become public are believed on the suspension list as well.

All or almost all of the other 12 players are expected to accept 50-game penalties, though there could be an additional holdout or two for appeal beyond Rodriguez. All the players have had the option to appeal, but it is believed close to all of them have made agreements for 50-game bans with MLB. Players who appeal are eligible to keep playing until their case is heard.

A-Rod has for days had the option to accept a ban through 2014, and while he has suggested he'd accept some penalty, according to people familiar with the case he has said he should receive “less than (Ryan) Braun,'' who received 65 games and never came close to signaling a willingness to accept anything close to the 214 games left through 2014. There's no belief a lifetime ban is being considered now.

Melky Cabrera, Bartolo Colon and Yasmani Grandal will not be suspended in connection with Biogenesis, as they all served 50-game penalties already. Neither will Nationals pitcher Gio Gonzalez, whose name was in earlier news reports but is not linked to Biogenesis PEDs.

With no evidence of late negotiation, Rodriguez appears likely to appeal his ban for the 214 games remaining through the end of ‘14. With MLB commissioner Bud Selig apparently deciding not to enforce the “best interests” clause to force A-Rod off the field immediately, Rodriguez could return to play for the Yankees Monday in Chicago.

As Scott Miller reported, Yankees manager Joe Girardi said Rodriguez has been “penciled in” to the lineup for now.

Should Rodriguez keep playing while on appeal, then lose the appeal, baseball's arbitrator Fredric Horowitz potentially could keep the ban going into the 2015 season to ensure 214 games are served.
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