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Bull/Blazer tonight! Go Bull!

Well it's not Seattle but it's closer than Chicago. Portland has mental/physical midget Stoudamire and "combo" McInnis at the 1. They're starting over and neither are young starting 1's.
They also have 2 2004 1st round picks(their own and 1 from Memphis), a "Davis" with 1 year less on his contract than the Bull "Davis" and a couple of so-so 2's(Derek Anderson: back issue but now playing & Wesley Person: 3 point specialist). I've only included Anderson in deals that include moving AD's contract although his salary could be used pretty much wherever Person's is. The Anderson deal is for 3 more years while Person's is over at the end of this season. They also have a young project 3 in Travis Outlaw. I've included him in some deals but he really isn't what I'd settle for(long term) in a 3(I just don't feel like waiting until he "gets it".)

Note: Any cap gained wouldn't be for next season. It would be for 05/06.

The players involved:

Bull:

Jamal Crawford,
Antonio Davis,
Eddie Robinson,
Jeff Chriseries,
Brick Runson,
Marcus Fizzer,
"J"

Blazer:

Dale Davis,
Derek Anderson,
Wesley Person,
Jeff McInnis,
Travis Outlaw,
Damon Stoudamire

The combinations:
Note: Any deal involving AD(Bull) & DA(Blazer) assume:

1. AD can play some 5.
2. DA's health is at least "manageable".

I agree that both are dubious.

1. JC, AD, CJ for Dale D. & Anderson.

Assumes Anderson will be healthy and that the Blazer can pretend that Antonio is capable of being a 5 for around 15-20 minutes a night. Saves some money from the shorter Dale deal but that is reduced somewhat by the longer albeit smaller Anderson deal. Perhaps a pick or something more is needed from the Blazer.

2. JC, AD, CJ for DD & W. Person

WP and Gill are brought back with perhaps another minor 2 in a piece meal approach at the 2 for a year. The Bull pick is on a 3. 1 year of pain for cap city.

3. JC, ER for WP, TO

I think a pick would need to be included here. It does save some $ by moving ER and not increasing JC's salary.

4. JC, AD for D. Anderson, WP

AD's contract goes bye bye but Anderson's says hello. Still a significant savings.

5. JC, ER, CJ for WP, Jeff M.

McInnis swings 1/2 and WP plays the 2 with Gill. Something more is probably needed from the Blazer.

6. JC, RB, AD, ER, "J", MF for
JM, WP, DD, Damon Stoudamire

A deluxe version of #5 where the Bull get mega cap relief after next season. The Stoudamire deal ends after next year as does DD's.

7. JC, AD, ER for DD, DS, Travis O.

Mega cap relief as well. Big hole at the 2 however.

8. JC, AD, ER, MF for DD, DS, TO, JM

Similar to #7 but McInnis can play some 2.

9. JC, CJ for JM, 1 of the picks

JM is a stop gap for this season. Pick is used to ensure a Deng draft or prime 3 aquisition. A FA 2 is signed in the summer.

10. JC, AD, ER for DD, WP, JM

Similar to #7 but no hole at the 2.

11. JC, AD, ER for DD, DA, JM

Similar to #10 but not as much cap relief due to the Anderson contract instead of Person's.

12. JC, AD, ER, CJ for DD, WP, JM, TO

Same as #10 but sweetened by the CJ for TO addition.

13. JC, AD, ER, CJ for DD, DA, JM, TO

Same as #11 but sweetened by the CJ for TO addition.

14. JC, RB, CJ for JM, TO

JC > JM & RB + CJ < TO but by how much? What is the perceived net?

15. JC, RB, CJ, ER for JM, TO, WP
Same as #14 but with a ER for WP sweetener.

The budgets:

Bull bucks

Blazer salaries

Note: Dale Davis signed an extension that is not shown on HoopsHype. His contract ends after next season not after this season.
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Good? Bad? Indifferent?

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P.S.:
A tease:
If a mega cap clearance deal were done, then depending on when his player option is:

http://www.realgm.com/src_contractoptions.php?year=2004

or :confused:

http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/orlando.htm

perhaps T-Mac would reconsider and prefer to play for a team with a quality frontline and point guard.

Tactics flow from a superior position. Bobby Fischer
 

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I like the simple ones and my favorite of those is JC,Erob,Jeffries for Person,McInnis.
 

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Originally posted by <b>basghetti80</b>!
I like the simple ones and my favorite of those is JC,Erob,Jeffries for Person,McInnis.
huh what? you want to trade JC for a couple of journeyman players? :confused:
 

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for cap reasons not in terms of personnel. We gain the cap space from Person and lose that contract of ERob.
 

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Originally posted by <b>basghetti80</b>!
for cap reasons not in terms of personnel. We gain the cap space from Person and lose that contract of ERob.
I know we have different opinions on JC but I can't believe anyone would advocate dealing him for freaking cap space.
 

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What is the difference between that and losing him for nothing? Gain more money this way than just losing his rookie contract.
 

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Would you guys take this?

If the Bulls get desperate to move Crawford would tehy take this?

Also, did BB leave on bad terms? Anyway-

Chicago trades: SG Jamal Crawford (16.7 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 5.5 apg in 34.8 minutes)
PF Marcus Fizer (6.5 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 14.2 minutes)
Chicago receives: SG Richie Frahm (4.5 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 0.6 apg in 10.2 minutes)
SG Brent Barry (10.9 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 5.2 apg in 31.6 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -7.8 ppg, -2.8 rpg, and -0.5 apg.

Seattle trades: SG Richie Frahm (4.5 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 0.6 apg in 10.2 minutes)
SG Brent Barry (10.9 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 5.2 apg in 31.6 minutes)
Seattle receives: SG Jamal Crawford (16.7 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 5.5 apg in 33 games)
PF Marcus Fizer (6.5 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 20 games)
Change in team outlook: +7.8 ppg, +2.8 rpg, and +0.5 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED
 

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Re: Would you guys take this?

Originally posted by <b>Marcus13</b>!
If the Bulls get desperate to move Crawford would tehy take this?

Also, did BB leave on bad terms? Anyway-

Chicago trades: SG Jamal Crawford (16.7 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 5.5 apg in 34.8 minutes)
PF Marcus Fizer (6.5 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 14.2 minutes)
Chicago receives: SG Richie Frahm (4.5 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 0.6 apg in 10.2 minutes)
SG Brent Barry (10.9 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 5.2 apg in 31.6 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -7.8 ppg, -2.8 rpg, and -0.5 apg.

Seattle trades: SG Richie Frahm (4.5 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 0.6 apg in 10.2 minutes)
SG Brent Barry (10.9 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 5.2 apg in 31.6 minutes)
Seattle receives: SG Jamal Crawford (16.7 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 5.5 apg in 33 games)
PF Marcus Fizer (6.5 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 0.8 apg in 20 games)
Change in team outlook: +7.8 ppg, +2.8 rpg, and +0.5 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED
sorry meant this as a new topic
 

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Originally posted by <b>basghetti80</b>!
I like the simple ones and my favorite of those is JC,Erob,Jeffries for Person,McInnis.
This (#5) is my favorite from a Blazers perspective, too.

Antonio Davis coming back to the Blazers is not going to happen. His contract is too big. Robinson has an ugly contract, but he'd be easier to move than AD.

The Blazers should be looking to trade Damon and Dale Davis, but only for shorter (expiring) contracts or for picks/prospects. And that doesn't make sense for the Bulls to do.

Ed O.
 
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