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1. Shaun Livingston- hate me for saying this but almost as good as Lebron James
2. Darko Milicic- best player outside Peoria,Il right now
3. Malick Bidiane- one year of NCAA ball gives him the showcase 4. Raymond Felton- Starbury without the selfishness
5. Rick Rickert- nice all around prospect
6. Chris Bosh- needs more bulk before he's a lotto pick
7. Maciej Lampe- needs to drop his snappy attitude first
8. Charlie Villanueva- needs more handles
9. Kosta Perovic- HUGE prospect at 7-2 and not even 17 yet
10. Kendrick Perkins-soft touch for a bigman, needs muscle not fat
11. Cristjan Drejer- reminds me of Wallyworld
12. Travis Outlaw- with one year of college he could blossom
13. Chris Thomas- fast and quick, great D, good playmaker
14. Evan Burns- possibly most upside of HS '02 swingmen
15. Torin Francis- two years at ND could make him like Wilcox
16. Zaur Pachulia- not a lotto pick until his O comes around
17. Erazem Lorbek- should beat out and up Paul Davis at MSU
18. Yotam Halperin- Israeli Latrell Spreewell, scoring machine
19. Ender Arslan-Euro-scoring PG, similar to Van-Exel when stable
20. Yaniv Green- a year at UConn actually hurts his status
21. Paolo Barlera- Italian Theo Ratliff, but is quiet right now
22. Andre Patterson- pogostick with great D, decent O
23. Dehnam Brown- great O no D
24. Dijon Thomson- combo G with great D and athleticism
25. James Lang- lotto pick HA:laugh:, he has a long road ahead
26. Marcus Moore- smooth and crafty, weak on D
27. Beno Udrih- he and Halperin form a nice young Macabi combo
28. Boris Diaw-Riffiod-stock killed by more game footage
29. Romain Sato- undersized 2 at 6-3, but long and athletic scorer
30. Paul Davis- Erazem really beat up this guy

players who declared in 03:
Emeka Okafor, Channing Frye, Eduardo Sonseca-Hernandez, Anderson Varejao, Kresimir Loncar, Mickael Pietrus, Victor Khryapa, Zoran Planinic, Carmelo Anthony, James White, Rickey Paulding, Jarvis Hayes, Chris Duhon, Luke Ridnour, Luke Jackson, Cedric Bozeman, Carlos Delfino, Dwayne Wade, Ronny Turiaf, Pape Sow, Darius Rice, Xiu Yuyang.
 

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Ok, it is great to have foreign ballers now come into the NBA but you have like freaking 13 of the top 30 picks be foreign players, yeah right!

Where is Harrison, Jawad, Fraser, Muhammed and Andre?????

I think you need to stop watching that euro ball, yeah foreign players are getting up to the standard as US ballers but not that damn fast. What your saying is that in the next fue years foreign players are going to be the super stars of the NBA and US ballers will be second to them. You might not be saying that but they way you rank all of these foreign guys playing overseas it looks that way.

Maybe it is just me and I don't see those players play, but come on, they can't be that good! Seriously........

Well we will have to just see how these GREAT foreign players do in this years World Games against the United States now won't we. The way your talking, or come across as, it is like some of them will dump 30 points on the US. We will just have to see won't we.

If your from there I can see it, but your not you just watch them on TV.
 

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Yotan Halperin ?????. The isrealian Spree ?????.
The best young guy in Israel is Tal Burstein and he plays for national Maccabi Tel-Aviv.
Take care if you take your info on nbadraft.net that the profiles are made by national writers, and sometimes some players get over-hyped.

Remember Alain Digbeu, a French swingman now playing in Barcelone, drafted by the Hawks. He was our French Pippen. everybody was sure he could play in the League. he made the Hawks camp every year. This year he was the first player thrown out ......
 

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Stabonis- Tal Burnstein isn't the best player on Macabi, he went undrafted but the Lakers may sign him becuase he's a 6-7 PG. Yaniv Green is actually the biggest Israeli prospect if he showcases himself. And if you saw Halperin at the Euro Junior Mens Championships you'd have seen that he's a great shooter and scorer and can draw fouls at will, he drew 14 fouls in one game! Plus he's not even 18 yet, so by the time the 04 draft comes around he will be the best of them. Beno Udrih is good too but he's not Israeli he only plays on Macabi.

Ozzy- I know 13 does seem like a lot of foreigners, but this is a ranking not a mock draft, and there are just that many in this class. And about the other players you said are missing, Harrison I assumed would declare in 03, and even so he may not be top 30 in this class (which is stronger than 03). Muhamad is not even a top 40 prospect in this draft until he can hit a 3 and lears to play 2, becuase a 6-5 on a good day SF only exists in the NBA for bad reasons (example: Greg Buckner, Adrian Griffin both D-specialists)and Muhamad is not a good shooter and not a super defender so forget specialism.Jawad, is quite raw right now and don't forget he didn't dominate JUCO ball, I don't think he's a top 40 prospect right now but he will have plenty of PT with Wilcox and Baxter gone. And which Andre are you refering to? Andre Brown at DePaul? He isn't top 50 right now if that's your man. He needs to learn to rebound,play D,shoot, play the post, and work, the man is lazy and just runs and jumps...another Stro Swift in the makings.


Oh and I forgot one thing, Tahrou Sani and Johan Petro are both top 8 if they declare but they will probably wait until 05 becuase they are both very young. Petro was born in Jan 86, and Sani's b-day is under investigation but it's either Sept 85 or 86 (85 is currently what shows on his passport, but someone back in Mali reported 86).
 

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I was talking about Jawad Williams for North Carolina, he doesn't play JUCO ball. And what about Fraser on Nova though? Where is he, is has all the skills, is a solid rebounder and can block shots, plays a lot older than he really is, he is a top 13 pick easy!!

Yeah it might be a ranking not a mock draft, but I feel your ranking is way off. I would never take a foreign guard over a US guard unless the foreign one was 6-6. How much damn euro ball you watch, 6 hours a day. Again it is great that more foreign player are coming into the league, but they are not good enough to take, as you say 13 or the top 30 prospects.......keep dreaming

Again, we will see how they do against us in the World Games.

P.S. (Remember the competition you are looking at, remember that it is a different game overseas, and the reason players like Dirk, Pau, Peja, and Tony did so great was that first Pau and Dirk are damn freaks and can play and shoot like a SG/SF and they are 7-1, and Peja also is very tall and hard to guard at 6-10, and Tony well I don't think there are that many players like him over there. Now unless they are a freak of nature and have great size, I don't think scoring a ton of points over there means that much. And I still would take a US player over most of them why? Well US players are most of the time better athletes, and I feel athletes win games, and if they are athletic I think the team has the hard part done, they just need to show they how to dribble and shoot, the athletic part of the game will take care of it self. Now maybe I'm wrong but that is who I think, and I still say the US could kick any foreign teams A$$ if they really wanted to. Yeah it is a worlds game but the NBA is here in the state's for a reason.
 

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What about Sofoklis Schortsianitis? If he grows to "a 7 footer of 280 pounds full of muscles and strength" (as projected on his NBAdraft.net profile), he would be a top3 pick. But even if not, he will be a sure 1st round pick in 2004.
 

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Schortsianitis won't declare until 05 and he's only 6-9 right now and he is nearing the mark where if he doesn't show growth, he isn't going to grow 3''.
This one's to Ozzy: Frasier is good, but way undersized and is a 3 or 4 year player becuase he won't dominate at Nova. And again I know 13 out 30 is a lot, but it's a stronger foreign class than this year's and I expect some of the players to possibly not declare. The most likely not to declare are Yotam Halperin who is still not even 18 and he's very skinny, and Ender Arslan becuase even when shorter Euro-Gs declare they usually end up withdrawing and waiting a while, like Hakam Koseglu did this year.
 

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Shaun Livingston is not the next Lebron James. This ruined your entire list's credibility. Lebron was a Mr. Ohio as a Sophomore (ahead of Jawad) and a conseus All - American, even first team on some lists. Shaun isn't even the conseus number one player in his class. At this point in James' career he was already considered the best player in high school. Livingston wouldn't crack my top 5.

<<12. Travis Outlaw- with one year of college he could blossom>>

Kind of like Gerald Wallace, huh. Outlaw will need more than one year to blossom.

Chris Thomas is way to high as well. Undersized and he is still very young. He has plenty of time to improve but again young points with limited size and potential aren't look upon highly in the NBA.
 

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OK EVERYONE GET THIS STRAIGHT.....


I ment "grow" in basketball skills, not ****ing grow in height and inches tall ok,,,,,,everyone got it.

I ment "grow" in there knowledge of basketball there skills dribbling, shooting, scoring etc. just like Tracy, Kobe, KG, Jermaine, they did not come into the NBA with those skills, they grew into the in the NBA, the MATURED!!!!!!!!!!!!! basketball wise

alright!
 

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Re: re:

Originally posted by <b>TheGoods</b>!
Schortsianitis won't declare until 05 and he's only 6-9 right now and he is nearing the mark where if he doesn't show growth, he isn't going to grow 3''.
Schortsianitis is just 17. Even Shaq only measured 6'9" at the same age. Schortsianitis WILL grow, at least to 6'11" until the draft 2004 take place.
Originally posted by <b>UNCStateGuy</b>!
<<12. Travis Outlaw- with one year of college he could blossom>>

Kind of like Gerald Wallace, huh. Outlaw will need more than one year to blossom.
I agree. If he decides to step in the draft in 2004, he'll be a late 1st rounder -> result: He have to sit on the bench.

Third: I've another (international) player to think about: Tahirou Sani. He is damn good. Just read this:
Courtesy of <b>Georgia Elite Magazin</b> from 6/25/02

Tahirou is considered the best sophomore in Europe and maybe the best in the world. He took off from the foul line and jump over seven people to win the slam dunk contest at the Douai World Junior Championship in France. He led his Gravelines team to the u22 championship. Tahirou is a tremendous athlete and player. He can handle the ball, shoot the 3-point shot, sprint pass you for a floating dunk, or sell popcorn. He can do whatever you ask... as long as it is in French...
 

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Livingston:

If you had really seen Livingston play, or at least read reports from the summer camps, you'd know that Livingston is being billed as a top 10 HS player. That includes every class, not just juniors. Livingston's passing is as good as Lebron's, his shot is actually more acurate but sometimes streaky, but he isn't as athletic as Lebron, plus Lebron has 2'' on him and about 35 pounds. Livingston needs about 10 more pounds and then he's a legit #1 prospect, he's right now more highly regarded than Carmelo Anthony.
 

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I think Fraser and Chris Thomas should be in the top 10 and Shaun Livingston aint as good as Jones he aint even close i heard..And Okafor should be in the top 30 maybe even top 20 most people say he is the next Ben Wallce
 

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I have Okafor declaring in '03. Frasier isn't yet a pro prospect. And I mentioned Sani, but I firmly believe that he's in no rush to leave France, although he is eligible starting in '04 to my knowledge. I like Chris Thomas a lot but #13 was even a bit generous. Livngston isn't as good as James right now, but keep in mind the SI-Curse (reference: Felepe Lopez) and that Livingston is a better defender right now.
 
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