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Does anyone know what the conditions were on the pick we owe Atlanta for the Antoine trade, I was under the impression that we owe Atlanta the lesser of the two picks between us and the pick we are getting from the Lakers (Hey Kupchak how is that trade working out for you?), but I believe that the Laker pick is lottery protected this year and it is looking pretty likely that the Lakers aren't going to make the playoffs this year, does that mean that we would have to give Atlanta our pick this year and not have a pick, or would Atlanta have to wait until we do get the LA pick and receive the lesser of the two picks, does anybody know?
 

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Re: Question on pick we owe Atlanta?

I heard that we give our 2006 first-round pick if LA doesn't make the playoffs. Should be a weak year anyways with the new under 20 rule being implanted.
 

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Re: Question on pick we owe Atlanta?

I heard different. If the Lakers go to the lottery, and it looks like they will, Atlanta gets our pick.

Next year we get the Laker pick, and it is only Top-10 protected.

Face it, with 6 players 22 or younger, and Ricky still very young, we don't need draft picks.

Here's what we have if the season ended today:

2005

0 1st round picks
2 2nd round picks (Boston, Sacramento (Songaila)

2006

2 1st round picks (Boston, LAL (Payton--Top 10 protected)
2 2nd round picks (Boston, Golden State--Top 38 protected)

2007

2 1st round picks (Boston, Cleveland (Jiri--lottery protected)
1 2nd round pick (Boston)


Now, anybody want to join my "In Danny We Trust" fan club?
 

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Re: Question on pick we owe Atlanta?

Truth34 said:
I heard different. If the Lakers go to the lottery, and it looks like they will, Atlanta gets our pick.

Next year we get the Laker pick, and it is only Top-10 protected.

Face it, with 6 players 22 or younger, and Ricky still very young, we don't need draft picks.

Here's what we have if the season ended today:

2005

0 1st round picks
2 2nd round picks (Boston, Sacramento (Songaila)

2006

2 1st round picks (Boston, LAL (Payton--Top 10 protected)
2 2nd round picks (Boston, Golden State--Top 38 protected)

2007

2 1st round picks (Boston, Cleveland (Jiri--lottery protected)
1 2nd round pick (Boston)


Now, anybody want to join my "In Danny We Trust" fan club?

Either way good stuff, I would prefer that we have at least one pick every year but you can't have everything, I just think that with the way these stupid GM's pick every year that someone good could fall to us this year just like Jefferson, West, and Allen last year, but regardless what a great job by Ainge, Pity the fool who doesn't join the "In Danny We Trust" fan club.
 

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Re: Question on pick we owe Atlanta?

Truth34 said:
I heard different. If the Lakers go to the lottery, and it looks like they will, Atlanta gets our pick.

Next year we get the Laker pick, and it is only Top-10 protected.

Face it, with 6 players 22 or younger, and Ricky still very young, we don't need draft picks.

Here's what we have if the season ended today:

2005

0 1st round picks
2 2nd round picks (Boston, Sacramento (Songaila)

2006

2 1st round picks (Boston, LAL (Payton--Top 10 protected)
2 2nd round picks (Boston, Golden State--Top 38 protected)

2007

2 1st round picks (Boston, Cleveland (Jiri--lottery protected)
1 2nd round pick (Boston)


Now, anybody want to join my "In Danny We Trust" fan club?
I think maybe you forgot the Waltah Phoenix pick?

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Re: Question on pick we owe Atlanta?

As far as I know:

Atlanta gets the pick this year ONLY if we get both the picks, and they get the worser of the picks.

OR

Atlanta gets our pick from next year. This means that we might get LA's pick next year, and give Atlanta ours.
 

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Re: Question on pick we owe Atlanta?

Truth34 said:
2005

0 1st round picks
2 2nd round picks (Boston, Sacramento (Songaila)

2006

2 1st round picks (Boston, LAL (Payton--Top 10 protected)
2 2nd round picks (Boston, Golden State--Top 38 protected)

2007

2 1st round picks (Boston, Cleveland (Jiri--lottery protected)
1 2nd round pick (Boston)


Now, anybody want to join my "In Danny We Trust" fan club?
2005:
2 1st Rounder (Celtics, Lakers*)
3 2nd Rounders (Celtics, Kings, Warriors*)

*These two picks may be used in 2006. LA's top 10 protected, and I don't think the Warriors pick is protected next year.

2006:
1 1st Rounder (Celtics)
1 2nd Rounder (Celtics)

2007
2 1st Rounders (Celtics, Cavs)
1 2nd Rounder (Celtics)
 

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Final Word On This

After hearing Mike Gorman last night:

2005 (assuming Lakers miss playoffs)

1 first round pick (Celtics)
2 second round picks (Celtics, Kings)

2006

1 first round pick (Hawks get worst between Lakers (Top 10 protected) and Celtics
2 second round picks (Celtics, Warriors (top 38 protected)

2007
2 first round picks (Celtics, Cavs)
1 second round pick


So this means we do get a 1st this year. If the Lakers make the playoffs, they'll probably have a better record than us, so the Hawks would get their pick.

I'm thinking the best scenario is that Denver stays hot, makes the playoffs, and we get our own pick, plus that Laker pick next year is only Top 10 protected. Atlanta would get the worse of the two picks next year. BATEMAN, the Waltah Phoenix pick is actually a Golden State pick. That Golden State 2nd rounder is top 38 protected next year.
 

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Re: Question on pick we owe Atlanta?

So with that being said is there anybody out there who may declare that would fall in that #15-17 pick range that we will probably be looking at. One person I think is intriguing right now is Daniel Gibson from Texas, but what I am hoping is that with the threat of an age limit that a lot of people will declare this year and that this actually may be a deep draft.
 

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Re: Final Word On This

Truth34 said:
After hearing Mike Gorman last night:

2005 (assuming Lakers miss playoffs)

1 first round pick (Celtics)
2 second round picks (Celtics, Kings)

2006

1 first round pick (Hawks get worst between Lakers (Top 10 protected) and Celtics
2 second round picks (Celtics, Warriors (top 38 protected)

2007
2 first round picks (Celtics, Cavs)
1 second round pick


So this means we do get a 1st this year. If the Lakers make the playoffs, they'll probably have a better record than us, so the Hawks would get their pick.

I'm thinking the best scenario is that Denver stays hot, makes the playoffs, and we get our own pick, plus that Laker pick next year is only Top 10 protected. Atlanta would get the worse of the two picks next year. BATEMAN, the Waltah Phoenix pick is actually a Golden State pick. That Golden State 2nd rounder is top 38 protected next year.
Thanks, I caught that after posting. I agree with your assesment. In any case, apparently the Celtics are guaranteed of a 1st round pick this year. Trade up for Hakim Warrick baby!!!
 
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2005 Boston Celtics Draft/Offseason Thread

We are about to run away with the Atlantic Division. Go into the playoffs with an underdog mentality and hopefully win a series or two. What do I do? I make a draft/offseason thread. So after the Antoine Walker and Jiri Welsch trade, our roster has been revamped, slightly changing our draft needs that we discussed prior to the all-star break. Looking forward at the college and international draft crop, one can tell that this draft is deep, with plenty of power forwards and point guards. We will fill some of slots with small free agent signings in the off-season. So first, we need to decide on our team need (s) of the most important value. Our current roster:

C: Raef Lafrentz / Mark Blount / Kendrick Perkins
PF: Antoine Walker / Al Jefferson
SF: Paul Pierce / Justin Reed
SG: Tony Allen / Ricky Davis
PG: Gary Payton / Delonte West / Marcus Banks

First, let's make some educated assumptions. Let us postulate that Antoine Walker (6.5 million with Birds Rights) and Justin Reed (minimum) being resigned in the offseason. For now, let's assume that Gary Payton doesn't come back leaving us with the same roster sans Payton. Danny Ainge could possible pull off a Blount or Lafrentz trade sometime before next year's deadline, but let's not assume that. From looking at that roster, there isn't really a "weak" position, but we don't have any superstars.

Now, we all know that we want immediate sucess, but it always helps to look into the future. Our center position, excluding Kendrick Perkins, has proven to be average. We can deal with this for the next couple of seasons, but a change will soon be needed. Ideally we (I) want, a three man front-court rotation of Jefferson, Player A, and Perkins with Antoine getting minutes at PF, SF, and PG (occasionally). Let's assess what we have right now. Perkins is projected to be an enforcer and defensive stopper. His offensive game is limited as of now, but I like him to become a solid, hard-working player. Now I might be biased, but I, like most Celtic fans, see Al Jefferson as a future star. His offensive game is good, with his array of post moves and good low-block mentality. Right now, his conditioning, defense, rebounding position, and passing need work. With two opposite players complimenting each other, a third balanced big man would be perfect. Now, concerning the draft, if a projected star is available where the Celtics are picking, I think he should be selected regardless of position. But, if the talent is even, a center/power forward hybrid would be great, especially considering that they are getting harder to find.

Earlier in the season, I heavily proclaimed that Hakim Warrick would be an ideal selection after hearing encouraging reports on him and watching him dominate in the Big East, but that was before the Walker traded. With and improved Jefferson, Perkins, and Blount (hopefully), Walker should split his minutes in the PF/SF positions while playing point guard sparingly. This means less minutes for Pierce, Davis, and Allen. If we select a raw center, no ones minutes will decrease as we will bring him along slowly as we did with Perkins. Warrick is a ready player meaning he needs 15 minutes immediatly. We can't find time for him and considering SF is an easy position to fill, unlike center, I think we shouldn't select him. Now let's judge our potential first round pick and where we will end up:

Right now, I feel that we are poised to take the Atlantic. Realistically, we will end up with 42-45 wins and a third seed. Let's do two scenarios regarding our draft pick:

One, the Los Angeles Lakers miss the playoffs. We do not get their pick this year. This means we end up with our pick, which will be from 15-18. Two, the Lakers make a late-season run and end up with the eighth seed. This means that they will likely have the higher record and we do get their selection this year. Atlanta is owed the lesser of our two picks, so we give them Los Angeles'. We end up with a first round pick around 15-18. Now, let's look at our potential draftee:

Johan Petro is the player we (the Celtics) need. He is a balance big-man capable of playing alongside Kendrick Perkins or Al Jefferson. He could be the center when Jefferson (6' 10") is in or the PF/C when Kendrick Perkins (a strong 6' 11") is in. He is one of the most athleitc big men in this years draft and he has the ability to block shots. Petro is still raw on offense, relying on his baby hook, but he has time to learn. We draft Petro because we don't need a player from any other position and we could leave him in France like New Jersey did with Nenad Kristic for a season or two. With our second round pick we could look at an athletic shooting guard From reading his profile, Alan Anderson seems to fit and he would be around where the Celtics are picking. Some might say our point guard position needs work and we should use our first round selection to draft a point guard, but I think West, Mardcus Banks, and possibly a veteran free agent (veterans minimum) could man the point with Walker and Ricky Davis playing point forward from time to time. Now, our roster looks like this:

C: Lafrentz/Blount/Perkins
PF: Walker/Jefferson/Perkins
SF: Pierce/Davis/Reed
SG: Allen/Davis/West/Anderson
PG: M. Banks/West/Rod Strickland?
 

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1 first round pick (Hawks get worst between Lakers (Top 10 protected) and Celtics
2 second round picks (Celtics, Warriors (top 38 protected)

You sure it's top 38 protected and not 40? And are you sure it's 2006 not 2005?

I thought I saw 2005 top 40 protected...
 

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Re: 2005 Boston Celtics Draft/Offseason Thread

Someone lock this till the offseason. :D

I dunno about you man, but right now I'm thinking playoffs baby.
 

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It is 2005 Top-40 protected. Unless Golden State wins 20 in a row or so, they will not be in the top 20 teams, so they will fall somewhere between 33 and 40.

So next year it is Top 38 protected. We might get it next year. Depends on Baron Davis's health, probably.
 

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We are about to run away with the Atlantic Division. Go into the playoffs with an underdog mentality and hopefully win a series or two. What do I do? I make a draft/offseason thread. So after the Antoine Walker and Jiri Welsch trade, our roster has been revamped, slightly changing our draft needs that we discussed prior to the all-star break. Looking forward at the college and international draft crop, one can tell that this draft is deep, with plenty of power forwards and point guards. We will fill some of slots with small free agent signings in the off-season. So first, we need to decide on our team need (s) of the most important value. Our current roster:

C: Raef Lafrentz / Mark Blount / Kendrick Perkins
PF: Antoine Walker / Al Jefferson
SF: Paul Pierce / Justin Reed
SG: Tony Allen / Ricky Davis
PG: Gary Payton / Delonte West / Marcus Banks

First, let's make some educated assumptions. Let us postulate that Antoine Walker and Justin Reed being resigned in the offseason. For now, let's assume that Gary Payton doesn't come back leaving us with the same roster sans Payton. Danny Ainge could possible pull off a Blount or Lafrentz trade sometime before next year's deadline, but let's not assume that. From looking at that roster, there isn't really a "weak" position, but we don't have any superstars.

Now, we all know that we want immediate sucess, but it always helps to look into the future. Our center position, excluding Kendrick Perkins, has proven to be average. We can deal with this for the next couple of seasons, but a change will soon be needed. Ideally we (I) want, a three man front-court rotation of Jefferson, Player A, and Perkins with Antoine getting minutes at PF, SF, and PG (occasionally). Let's assess what we have right now. Perkins is projected to be an enforcer and defensive stopper. His offensive game is limited as of now, but I like him to become a solid, hard-working player. Now I might be biased, but I, like most Celtic fans, see Al Jefferson as a future star. His offensive game is good, with his array of post moves and good low-block mentality. Right now, his conditioning, defense, rebounding position, and passing need work. With two opposite players complimenting each other, a third balanced big man would be perfect. Now, concerning the draft, if a projected star is available where the Celtics are picking, I think he should be selected regardless of position. But, if the talent is even, a center/power forward hybrid would be great, especially considering that they are getting harder to find.

Earlier in the season, I heavily proclaimed that Hakim Warrick would be an ideal selection after hearing encouraging reports on him and watching him dominate in the Big East, but that was before the Walker traded. With and improved Jefferson, Perkins, and Blount (hopefully), Walker should split his minutes in the PF/SF positions while playing point guard sparingly. This means less minutes for Pierce, Davis, and Allen. If we select a raw center, no ones minutes will decrease as we will bring him along slowly as we did with Perkins. Warrick is a ready player meaning he needs 15 minutes immediatly. We can't find time for him and considering SF is an easy position to fill, unlike center, I think we shouldn't select him. Now let's judge our potential first round pick and where we will end up:

Right now, I feel that we are poised to take the Atlantic. Realistically, we will end up with 42-45 wins and a third seed. Let's do two scenarios regarding our draft pick:

One, the Los Angeles Lakers miss the playoffs. We do not get their pick this year. This means we end up with our pick, which will be from 15-18. Two, the Lakers make a late-season run and end up with the eighth seed. This means that they will likely have the higher record and we do get their selection this year. Atlanta is owed the lesser of our two picks, so we give them Los Angeles'. We end up with a first round pick around 15-18. Now, let's look at our potential draftee:

I'm sick of writing. Johan Petro.
Nice post, but I wouldn't be drafting an international big guy. What I would be in favor though, is drafting a international point guard. Those are always fun to have, and most of them are much more fundemental then the 1's in the states.

Drafting international big men scares me. Maybe in the 2nd round where the risks aren't too big (Okur, and while Manu isn't a big guy, he plays like one...and as a small one too).

Also, I just don't see us resigning Toine without getting rid of Blount and/or Reaf first. Both of these guys' contracts are huge, and somehow we already have 2 future starters (AT LEAST) waiting to break out. That would be major back up money at the 4/5 wasted.

The other thing is, I don't see Ricky being happy next year comming from the bench. If he wins 6th man or not, I think he'll want to be starting again and play in the begining and in the end.

Tommy also mentioned this, but where do we really have a need? Maybe PG, or maybe we'll see one of these two points break out sometime soon. The big man look to be set, and having Ricky, Pierce and Allen on the same team makes us pretty much set at the SF/SG position, too.

Maybe the best thing to do is to trade up, but I don't see a lot of people going after mid to late 2nd rounders, and I don't think Danny's going to move any of his young guys to get a higher pick.
 

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Let's enjoy 2005 first

Guys,

I am not even worried about the offseason. I like what Danny has done getting picks, and I think the Antoine trade is the trade of the year.

In Danny I Trust. You guys can talk offseason.

But you better focus on the here and now. Antoine and Paul and Gary and Co. could do something.

Start the Pistons game thread. That is everything right now.
 

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Re: Question on pick we owe Atlanta?

Whoa, whoa, whoa, "In Danny We Trust"?

In Belicheck I trust, in Theo I trust. In Danny?

This is Danny Ainge we're talking about, the meticulous, overtinkering Danny Ainge, the guy who makes about six unnecessary moves per week in your fantasy move. The man who handed Mark Blount a huge contract and traded for Raef LaFrentz, who graduated from the Brad Sellers School of big guys who prefer to be 20 feet from the basket. I know he's going to do SOMETHING stupid this summer. I can't let him off the hook just yet.

That said, I'm still on the fence on Antoine. I love him to death; I was always one of his biggest defenders the last time he was in town, but after we gave him an extension in '99, he showed up out of shape and shot his way out of town. If we do re-sign him, we'll probably need to go after a PG in the draft, because I like Delonte West, but I'm not 100% sold on him. At this point the chances of Deron Williams falling to our draft spot (assuming we have a #1 this year) are nil, but I've actually seen Jarrett Jack slide pretty far in some mocks.

If Antoine does leave, PF/C becomes a necessity, in which case guys like Shelden Williams (assuming he declares), Ike Diogu (ditto), or Channing Frye become possibilities.
 
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