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re: 2014 Draft | Raps pick Bruno Caboclo & Deandre Daniels

I'm not as upset as I was a few hours ago. I looked at the draft history of former #20 picks of the past
Tony Snell, Evan Fournier, Donatas Motiejunas, Eric Maynor, Alexis Ajinca, Jason Smith, Renaldo Balkman, Julius Hodge, you'll have to go all the way back to 2004 to find a decent player that was drafted at 20 (Jameer Nelson). The fact is while this was a loaded draft chances are you are not getting a good player this late in the draft. Might as well swing for the fences instead of drafting some role player.
 

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re: 2014 Draft | Raps pick Bruno Caboclo & Deandre Daniels

You know what, I am a huge Masai fan, but **** you Masai.

We could have picked up a useful role player @ 20 and then snagged this Bruno kid at 37.

It seems incredibly foolish that we put all of our hope on Ennis slipping to 20, so much so that we didn't have a contingency if he didn't make it. That's just terrible preparation if true.

I enjoy 'swinging for the fences' but you don't do it at the expense of missing on valuable (and cheap) role players that are available.

Napier and Capela could have been taken and then picked up Bruno at 37.
 

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Thanks for the links PP. I think we park this kid for at least another year just like we did JV, let him play is summer league as they're saying and work on our current roster through signings (Lowry, Vasquez...) make some trades (Salmons, Fields ...) and we'll go with what we've got.
I guess at 20 there wasn't much we were going to get anyways.
 

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Soooo now the word is that they're actually going to have the kid in the lineup next year! I guess we'll see just how mad our scouts and Ujiri truly are.
 

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Soooo now the word is that they're actually going to have the kid in the lineup next year! I guess we'll see just how mad our scouts and Ujiri truly are.
It worked for Giannis and the Bucks last year.. won't know what this kid can do on an NBA court till he actually gets out there.
 

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You know what, I am a huge Masai fan, but **** you Masai.

We could have picked up a useful role player @ 20 and then snagged this Bruno kid at 37.

It seems incredibly foolish that we put all of our hope on Ennis slipping to 20, so much so that we didn't have a contingency if he didn't make it. That's just terrible preparation if true.

I enjoy 'swinging for the fences' but you don't do it at the expense of missing on valuable (and cheap) role players that are available.

Napier and Capela could have been taken and then picked up Bruno at 37.
couldn't agree more. you would think with so much at stake they had more players in mind than just hoping ennis slips to 20.. i do more prep than that for fantasy leagues. this is a multimillion dollar business.

looking at the videos, it's depressing. the kid has nba body/size. even athleticism. but damn those skills(or lack of skills)! he's worse than the guys i play with at the YMCA... when they say this guy never touched a basketball before he turned 18 I believe them because it certainly looks like it.
 

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looking at the videos, it's depressing. the kid has nba body/size. even athleticism. but damn those skills(or lack of skills)! he's worse than the guys i play with at the YMCA... when they say this guy never touched a basketball before he turned 18 I believe them because it certainly looks like it.
I agree with not drafting at 20 but I strongly disagree with your assessment of the guy. Masai did go to Brazil three times to watch him play in person. Masai wouldn't have done that if Bruno had no skills.

I'm willing to give Masai the benefit of the doubt. After all he was one of the few GMs that recognized the greek freak's talent in last year's draft. If you redo last year's draft theres a good argument to be made for Giannis as a top 5 or top 3 pick.
 

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I agree with not drafting at 20 but I strongly disagree with your assessment of the guy. Masai did go to Brazil three times to watch him play in person. Masai wouldn't have done that if Bruno had no skills.

I'm willing to give Masai the benefit of the doubt. After all he was one of the few GMs that recognized the greek freak's talent in last year's draft. If you redo last year's draft theres a good argument to be made for Giannis as a top 5 or top 3 pick.
he has the most uncoordinated and awkward tear-drop/mini-hook shots. he doesn't fully extend his arms to release the ball at the highest possible release points. it's going to be a nightmare to try and correct all those habits. essentially you can't utilize any of those post moves in those videos. you have to re-teach him those.

and do you see how his feel for the ball is still very raw. he can't even time his jumps on alley-oops and rebounds properly. he's no more skilled than your rec league players. the only difference is his physical gifts.
 

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he has the most uncoordinated and awkward tear-drop/mini-hook shots. he doesn't fully extend his arms to release the ball at the highest possible release points. it's going to be a nightmare to try and correct all those habits. essentially you can't utilize any of those post moves in those videos. you have to re-teach him those.

and do you see how his feel for the ball is still very raw. he can't even time his jumps on alley-oops and rebounds properly. he's no more skilled than your rec league players. the only difference is his physical gifts.
I believe Masai mentioned that Bruno's strengths are his ability to shoot the ball and the ability to defend. I don't think at 6-9 200 lbs he would really be using any of those post moves.

Like I said, it's not like Masai watched the same video you watched and decided to draft the kid. He went to Brazil 3 times and based on Masai's experience as a scout and his reputation at recognizing talent I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and reserve judgement. Until we see more of Bruno it's not fair to write him off especially calling him a casual basketball player that's common at your local gym.
 

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I'll leave it to Ujiri, Casey and the staff to turn him into something grand. So until then I'll reserve judgement. But it doesn't look good considering there was talent on the table ready to go now (or at least, in the short term) and we took a gamble. I can't wait until Ujiri et al. proves us and the league near sighted and the kid shines. Either way, by this time next year we'll all know .... Genius or Madness!!
 

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I love you guys, but Raptors fans are always so salty this time of year...
 

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I just like to put things into perspective. Even if this pick turns out to be trash it's only the 20th pick. If our team fails next year it's not going to be because we didn't draft a certain player that was available at 20. If there is a player that's this valuable then at least 10 other teams ahead of us made the same mistake.

I just wish Masai was hired a year earlier. He would've taken a chance with Drummond instead of going with Ross as Drummond's upside was so much greater than Ross's.
 

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I just like to put things into prospective. Even if this pick turns out to be trash it's only the 20th pick. If our team fails next year it's not going to be because we didn't draft a certain player that was available at 20. If there is a player that's this valuable then at least 10 other teams ahead of us made the same mistake.

I just wish Masai was hired a year earlier. He would've taken a chance with Drummond instead of going with Ross as Drummond's upside was so much greater than Ross's.
Yup.. these are the types of picks to swing for the fences... you were not going to get someone to put you over the top with that pick
 

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Yup.. these are the types of picks to swing for the fences... you were not going to get someone to put you over the top with that pick
True. But they could have got a solid bench, possible starter if they drafted properly. This isn't like the 2013 draft. There were solid, or at least what appears to be solid players available at that pick.
 

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True. But they could have got a solid bench, possible starter if they drafted properly. This isn't like the 2013 draft. There were solid, or at least what appears to be solid players available at that pick.
I guess the 'bolded' part is the sticking point.

We still have no idea how any of these lower end guys will translate to the NBA.

Bruno could well be the pick of the draft, but if he isn't, he likely join 8 of the other 10 picks in the 20's that didn't work out.

Masai is one hell of a talent scout, he's proven that time and time again, and despite my disappointment at not taking Shabazz or Capela, he must not have seen enough from the to warrant selection. I trust his judgement.

One thing is for sure, I can't wait for Summer League. (Friday 11th July!!)
 
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