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Interesting comparison bewt. the Bull's two young
SPG's (shooting point guards)

Through 3 and 4 games...

JWill in 3 games
Assists: 2 + 3 + 3 = 8
TO's: 4 + 6 + 6 = 16
Assist to turnover ratio: 8/16 = 0.5 to 1
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Craw in 4 games
Assists: 7 + 4 + 5 + 6 = 22
TO's: 7 + 2 + 0 + 3 = 12
Assist to turnover ratio: 22/12 = 1.83 to 1

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Is JWill this sloppy with the ball?
Is the lower ratio due to less familiarity or worse play?

Both are passing to the same players........
 

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These rookie PGs are going to have a lot of TOs initially.

I wouldn't worry about it too much.

One thing to note though, JCs FG percentage is making him look like a PG as much as his A/TO.

In the long run, I think JWills ability to penetrate is going to allow him to be more effective. He will be fine.
 

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These rookie PGs are going to have a lot of TOs initially.

I wouldn't worry about it too much.

One thing to note though, JCs FG percentage is making him look like a PG as much as his A/TO.

In the long run, I think JWills ability to penetrate is going to allow him to be more effective. He will be fine.
Totally Agreed.

Funny....but the FG percentages were conspicuously left out of the above comparison.

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Originally posted by BCH
These rookie PGs are going to have a lot of TOs initially.

I wouldn't worry about it too much.

One thing to note though, JCs FG percentage is making him look like a PG as much as his A/TO.

In the long run, I think JWills ability to penetrate is going to allow him to be more effective. He will be fine.
Well you put an end to another thread. Short and sweet! well put.
 

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Man, everyone's watching BCH like a hawk, just waiting for the next fire to start. I've enjoyed BCH's remarks as of late, as they've demonstrated great restraint. Question is, will the dam break, and on whom? :)

J/K BCH - you're level headed sensibilities are much appreciated. by the way, is there anything you think I should be paying particular attention to this next game? what's the biggest question in your mind right now? I picked-up on your criticsm of Curry not finishing strong in a post a while back, and it's too true. This summer he should skip the free-throw practice and simply do 10 straight double handed dunks jumping straight up off of two feet. And after that he should do it over again, and each time he dunks the ball, he's got to pull the rim, ALL THE WAY DOWN, and make that puppy squeal, bcs that's the only way he's going to get the psychology of power dunking down. And that's what he needs most (at least on the offensive side. :) )
 

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BCH has been fine! His comments are allowed and welcomed. I also agree with alot of his recent posts. I want to commend him and the bulls posters as well for having goodexchanges on here! But lets remember this is not a board abbout BCH. Its about the bulls! So lets stay focused and we all will do just fine
 

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Originally posted by settinUpShop
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Man, everyone's watching BCH like a hawk, just waiting for the next fire to start. I've enjoyed BCH's remarks as of late, as they've demonstrated great restraint. Question is, will the dam break, and on whom? :)

J/K BCH - you're level headed sensibilities are much appreciated. by the way, is there anything you think I should be paying particular attention to this next game? what's the biggest question in your mind right now? I picked-up on your criticsm of Curry not finishing strong in a post a while back, and it's too true. This summer he should skip the free-throw practice and simply do 10 straight double handed dunks jumping straight up off of two feet. And after that he should do it over again, and each time he dunks the ball, he's got to pull the rim, ALL THE WAY DOWN, and make that puppy squeal, bcs that's the only way he's going to get the psychology of power dunking down. And that's what he needs most (at least on the offensive side. :) )
Right now I want to see the way Curry and Chandler interact together. What is their dynamic? I know you have talked briefly about them switching off on players but what I want to know is there a sort of symbiotic relationship on the court with these guys.

Is Chandler deferring to Curry too much on offense and Curry conceding rebounds to Chandler? I have a gut feeling this may be the case by looking at the stat sheet, but I want to see if you can pick up on it while they are playing.

If it is the case, it needs to be corrected. These guys should push each other more than anyone. If Chandler is grabbing 10 boards and Curry has his 1/2 a board, Curry should feel like he needs to get his 9 1/2 to match. I just hope these guys don't grow too much into half-way players depending on the other to cover for their weakness.
 

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Originally posted by truebluefan
BCH has been fine! His comments are allowed and welcomed. I also agree with alot of his recent posts. I want to commend him and the bulls posters as well for having goodexchanges on here! But lets remember this is not a board abbout BCH. Its about the bulls! So lets stay focused and we all will do just fine
BCH sold out. He agreed to play nice and they made him a moderator. On the Wiz board. ;)
 

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Start today I'm going to be BCH's stalker I'm going to watch, I'm going to listen to him, I'm going to watch him as a HAWK!

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BCH is a moderator I just notice that? What the world is coming to lately? Whats next BCH as president of the US? :laugh:


SCAREY!

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Is there a BCH Board? Cause if there is I know it must be entertaining!

J/K BCH, you know I enjoy your posts and use of cerebral thought.
 

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Originally posted by pduh02
Start today I'm going to be BCH's stalker I'm going to watch, I'm going to listen to him, I'm going to watch him as a HAWK!

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BCH is a moderator I just notice that? What the world is coming to lately? Whats next BCH as president of the US? :laugh:


SCAREY!

:laugh:
Guys, BCH is a decent mod here, that's give him a break. :D
 

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Thats exactly right BCH!

Originally posted by BCH
These rookie PGs are going to have a lot of TOs initially.

I wouldn't worry about it too much.

One thing to note though, JCs FG percentage is making him look like a PG as much as his A/TO.

In the long run, I think JWills ability to penetrate is going to allow him to be more effective. He will be fine.
It all comes down to the same things really. Crawford is to some extent, more "comfortable" with these players than Jay Williams is. I am NOT worried one IOTA concerning Williams. I am more worried that Crawford can do it against STARTING lineups! I want to see which one will drive the lane. You know, like crawford for one reason or another has refused to do since his entry into the league? LOL This Bulls team can really be something special. Hassell is the one that is going to motivate Jay, Jamal and Jalen, I think. Jalen might not need it, but I feel if he hits one of his stagnant periods and seems to be ineffective, Hassell could be playing SF in his place at times. I truly believe krause and Bill see the "potential" (there's that word again!!!) in both williams and crawford and especially in Hassell; the question is, is crawford ready to show his and will williams be intimidated by the longer reach and more "banging" style of NBA players versus that of the ncaa? I really have never have cared much for Krause, I guess maybe its his appearance that gets to me, but for the most part...Good job jerry. as far as BCH or anyone else goes, if it is a post concerning the Bulls and contains at least a minuscule particle of thought, I have enjoyed reading all of yours. Oh, one last tidbit, even tho both these versatile players, williams and crawford, are passing to the same players, how an offense "flows" is entirely dependant on the personnel on the floor. What I am trying to say is, until Crawford and/or Williams are able to RUN the offense, Jalen will be our POINT forward and will run the team to some degree. Crawford might be the more experience PG we have(other than Jalen) but believe it, Jalen will be "coaching" him while he is on the court also! taking out hassell and placing Rose in that line up will help solidify our offensive movement. In any case, I DO NOT BELIEVE we will see Williams/Crawford at PG/SG on the floor at the same time anytime in the beginning of the season. just my opinion.

PG - Crawford/Williams/Mason
SG - Hassell/Williams/Hassell
SF - Rose/M.Miller(trade for fizer)/Hassell
PF - Chandler/Baxter/Curry
C - Curry/veteran acquired/Bagaric

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Originally posted by BCH


Right now I want to see the way Curry and Chandler interact together. What is their dynamic? I know you have talked briefly about them switching off on players but what I want to know is there a sort of symbiotic relationship on the court with these guys.

Is Chandler deferring to Curry too much on offense and Curry conceding rebounds to Chandler? I have a gut feeling this may be the case by looking at the stat sheet, but I want to see if you can pick up on it while they are playing.

If it is the case, it needs to be corrected. These guys should push each other more than anyone. If Chandler is grabbing 10 boards and Curry has his 1/2 a board, Curry should feel like he needs to get his 9 1/2 to match. I just hope these guys don't grow too much into half-way players depending on the other to cover for their weakness.
I've been wondering exactly the same thing myself. I wonder if SettinUpShop can make any note of how Curry and Chandler have been positioning themselves on the floor on offense and defense?

I'll definitely be watching for that on the televised game.
 

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Here are a few of my thoughts with respect to the Bulls performance during the Summer League thus far.

1. On one hand Summer Leagues can be very misleading as they are typically very unstructured. SLs are also better suited for street ballers rather than a team-oriented players. On the other hand, Summer League games are pretty much the same for every team so all things being equal, the Bulls haven't performed as well as they could have relative to other teams in the league.

2. The SL games have also reemphasized what I have known all along, JC is a PG. Although he can play SG from time to time, clearly he's most effective at the PG slot. As for turnovers, they can be very misleading. Errant passes can be nothing more than a lack of communication syngery between two or more players. What I am most pleased with from Jamaal is that he is obviously looking to distribute the rock. In order for the Bulls to be successful they're going to need a PG who can and will make the players around him better. I believe that JC is capable of doing just that. Contrary to what other people think, I don't think that JWill is a pure PG (at least not at this point in his career). I consider JWill as a SG in a PG's body (ala AI). I still think that JC will start at PG for the Bulls this season.

3. Trenton Hassell - People tend to underestimate how much this guy means to the Bulls. Although he wasn't a big named player coming out of college, let's not forget that he was the Bulls' MVP as a rookie last year and clearly the Bulls best defender. I can't count how many times Trenton shut down the oppositions main scorer (Kobe, Stack, Carter, etc.) "Shut down" meaning to hold them to a low shooting percentage or significantly before their season average. It is my opinion, that if the Bulls are going to have any chance of making the playoffs, their going to need to play solid D. Let's face it, Jalen, ERob, Fizer, and Bags are not good defenders. Curry has potential, but he's still young and inexperienced. JWill is inexperienced by NBA standards and is only 6 ft tall. That leaves the Bulls with Hassell, Crawford, Chander, Baxtor, and Mason Jr to apply the defensive pressure. How Cartright chooses to use these players will be critical to the Bulls success. Match up should dictate when and how much we see these guys. In the meantime, this should be the last opportunity for ERob, Fizer, and Bags to show that they can play respectable D. If they don't show it by All-Star break, then trade them.

4. Tyson is the biggest mystery of the summer thus far. It's hard to tell what is going through his head. Throughout the draft selection process, you would have thought that Tyson not only played for the Bulls, but that he also owned them too. I expected him to come out a make a statement during th summer leagues, but in hindsight I wouldn't be surprised in Krause had a little chat with Tyson and told him to take it easy in these games. At least that's what I'd like to believe.
 
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