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Golden State keeps coming up on the short list of teams interested in trading for Andre Miller, but I haven't heard any detailed scenarios. So, here's one to chew on...

The Cavs send Andre Miller and Bryant Stith (to make the deal work financially) to the Warriors for Mike Dunleavy and Jiri Welsch.

Golden State is potentially giving up a lot if both Dunleavy and Welsch develop as hoped, but those are two big "ifs." And they get the PG they covet to build around--and Miller and Richardson could be a deadly backcourt together. Maaaaybe Dunleavy will be a star, but Miller already is one, and everyone knows good PGs are much harder to find.

The Cavaliers relieve themselves of the necessity of paying Miller what he's worth, and also unload Stith. In return they get their SF of the future (they hope!) in Dunleavy, who isn't as electrifying as Caron Butler but has more name recognition and will fill some seats--and can drill the 3. In Welsch they also get a solid prospect, a combo guard who may be able to back up both Wagner and Davis. The Cavaliers are assured of stinking next year, but have a locker room of good prospects, some of whom will certainly pan out over the next five years.

What do y'all think?
 

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If Dunleavy and Welsch both develop, the Warriors are definitely getting the short end of the stick. Welsch can play either PG, SG, or SF. This deal won't be determined as who the winner is for a few years.
 

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Devastata, I agree.

But I'm pretty sure I would pull the trigger if I were Golden State. I'm intrigued by their apparent PG rotation of Arenas, Logan and Welsch, but they won't have many opportunities to add a floor leader of Miller's quality.

By the way, I think I recognize your name from the old board at nbadraft.net. What's going on, is that still alive? One day I found myself banned--mild-mannered little me--so I don't know if it still exists.
 

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Devastata, I agree.

But I'm pretty sure I would pull the trigger if I were Golden State. I'm intrigued by their apparent PG rotation of Arenas, Logan and Welsch, but they won't have many opportunities to add a floor leader of Miller's quality.

By the way, I think I recognize your name from the old board at nbadraft.net. What's going on, is that still alive? One day I found myself banned--mild-mannered little me--so I don't know if it still exists.
I agree, Logan, Arenas aren't too much of floor leaders, and I'm not positive on Welsch. I'd do it, but It's a roll of the dice.

About the old board, I was banned myself. You just have to delete your cookies. If you don't know how, just PM me and I'll tell you.
 

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Are you kidding me, He aint even in the top 5 points in the league

And your talking about trading Both our draftpicks for Dre and a stiff. Your basically saying it's a good trade to trade basically 3-4 first rounders for a point.... I Doubt you forgot the PHILLY trade for Welsch.. A first round pick and a future first rounder or second rounder.. for welsch..

That's basically 4 picks for 1 point... are you crazy... There are better deals to be gotten around the league or next year.. we can get pure point guards... like Duhon or something... Think about it first...:upset:
 

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Where do you get "3-4 picks"? I'm talking about a straight-up swap of 2 players for 2 players.

And yes, the Warriors would be giving up potential, but getting a sure thing in Miller--a proven floor leader who can do his fair share of scoring and rebounding. Duhon, Ridnour or someone like that might be available to them in the draft next year, but they're not sure things...Miller is.

I'm not saying it's a no-brainer, but if I were St. Jean and the opportunity arose, I'd grab Miller now and hope for Perkins or Anthony in the draft next year. I think the team improves faster.
 

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it's 4 picks because he is saying Dunleavey and Welsch are two,the third coming from the one they gave up to Philly to get Wlesch, not sure where the fourth comes in. But by the same logic both Miller and Stith, I think were first rounders, they are just looked at that way because they are vets.
 

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I would say that's counting Welsch twice, then...but why quibble.
 

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I would rather "gamble" on the youth (Dunleavy and Welsch). You also have to consider that Miller is demanding a max contract. Therefore, GS could have Dunleavy and Welsch for relatively cheap for a long period of time.
 

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Any gm that did that would get fired. Thats a horrible trade.
 

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Why? Can you elaborate, please?
 

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NISMO

What? You guys realy think this is a bad trade? Come on. GS gets a floor leader, who just to correct you Nismo, IS a top 5 pg. And in return they get 2 UNPROVEN yet very potential players. In 5 years when these guys are comming into their own then maybe you could say, hey I wish we held on to those guys, but in all reality with the way the game works today, they wouldnt be with you in 5 years anyways. Neither of those 2 will make huge impacts for awhile
 

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I'm sure if the trade for Miller goes down, then it would be something like this:

NOTE: There is rumor that the Cavs will send Murray, Hill, and Mihm to the Spurs for A.Daniels and S.Smith. If so, then the Warriors need to jump in w/ a better offer, because we need a SF back in the trade for Miller.


Warriors sends: Sura or Mills, Logan, Fortson and next years #1

Cleveland sends: Miller, Murray, and Mihm . The Warriors will be taking on multi year contracts, but at least they are servicable players.

The Cavs are high on L.James so they are trying to stock pile as many draft picks as possible. If the Warriors get Miller, the chances to win the lottery will be slim if any at all. Both Sura and Mills contracts end next year so they'll have more cap room. Logan is local favorite (Cinninnati), and Fortson is better than any of their current PFs.

Why is Dunleavy not in the offer? He was just signed, so under some stupid rule he wont be eligible for a trade until next year. Logan has not been signed yet, so the rights to his contract will given to the Cavs.

Warriors's lineup:

Miller/Arenas
Richardson/Welsch
Dunleavy/Murray/Mills
Jamison/Murphy/Mihm or Hill
Foyle/Damp. (Sign Wang Zhizhi or trade for him)

Look out, this lineup is sick. Just have to build chemistry. The 1-4 are a lock. The center position will have to be shared among Foyle, Damp. and hopefully Zhizhi.

Boy, I'm a day dream believer......:p
 

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THE REASON WHY I SAID 4 IS BECAUSE

1- Dunleavy 3rd pick
2- Jiri Welsch 16 th pick
3- First Rounder we gave up to get him in trade with Philly
4- and the other 1st or second rounder we give up as well for welsch...

SO THAT IS 4 picks..
 

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JUST TO CHECK YOU MR. RSTAR... HE AINT CAUSE THERE ARE A BUNCH BETTER

1- J-KIDD - Nuff said
2-GP- Can't deny it
3- Steve franchise- he is the franchise
4- Stockton - old reliable.. ( true point guard )
5- Nash- Allstar
6- B.Davis- can't argue with this
7- Bibby.- Just look at what he did against the Lakers

There are probly some other people I can put here but just can't remember... but one this is fact though buddy... YOU JUST BEEN CHECKED !
 

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I've Been Checked? Check your head

I guess leading the league in assists while passing to guys like Lamond Murray isnt enough for you to put him in the top hey? I've been checked? Nah, you can check me throwing the garbage list right out the door. J Kidd, yea, no arguments. No with GP either. Putting up Stevie Franchise at the 3 is stupid. Hes the man but he didnt even play much at the end of the season because of headaches. Miller had better stats than stock last year, period. Stocks days are winding down, I wouldnt put him ahead of Jamal Tinsley anymore, let alone Miller. And Bibby? Your just another guy jumping on the Kings band wagon. He stepped up in the playoffs and was the man, but I'll wait till next year before decide where hes at. There are alot of great pg's in the league. Old, Stock and GP. And young, B Diddy, Francise, Tinsley, and I could go on forever. None of us will ever agree on a list because its personal opinion more than anything. But make no mistake, trading for Miller would make your team better.
 

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I never intended for you to think that was put in order...

I was just numbering the people whom are ahead of miller or were better than miller..

Stockton might be heading of to the plains but I doubt miller could do what stockton has done in all his years of service for the Jazz..

Franchise is a better player than miller PERIOD. I'm not putting in the migrance issue.. but as a player in general he is better all around

Bibby: I ain't no kings bandwagon jumper.. as you can see by my avitar.. is shows warriors.. I have seen bibby's games since arizona and grizzlies.. and have always know of how good a real point his is.

Like paxson said miller is good, but has not done anything really for the CAVS.

Andre Miller is a above ave. point.. that I can agree with.. but he is not by far a great point to consider trading all of your future ( this years picks and next years ) just for him.. That is just fact.. He ain't close to jordansque, nor in that league of a superstar... Basically no one is worth 4 first rounders or so... NO MAN IS A ISLAND.. look at T-wolves.. KG can't do everything himself..
 

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Exactley. Your ragging on him for not doing anything for his team then you say no man can do everything. His team was horrible. The one of the bottom teams. And yet he still led the league in assists. I agree that he will never make the impact stock did, but how does that have anything to do with where you rank stock in the top points today? Judge him on what hes doing, not what he did. Dre is going to be a star
 

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Originally posted by HORNETSFAN
I would rather "gamble" on the youth (Dunleavy and Welsch). You also have to consider that Miller is demanding a max contract. Therefore, GS could have Dunleavy and Welsch for relatively cheap for a long period of time.
Golden State has gambled way too often and lost. Please... please just once can we win???
 

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that trade wouldn't be able to go down until around December, because rookies who have signed with their team aren't allowed to be traded until i think December.
 
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