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Movies get awards such as Best Picture or Best Cinematography. That's what they are, they mean what they mean, the end. Assuming it's not a popularity contest, then the movie deemed to have the best cinematography will win such an award.

Then there's Golf. In a usual tournament, there's only one winner but many non-winners. And of course that means one, sole individual.

In Tennis, the torunament winner proves he or she's the best by beating others in matches. You either win or lose the match, and in the finals you either beat the other player who's won as many matches or you don't. There's little argument. Player A wins or loses.

But in team sports, it's trickier. You aren't the whole team, since it's a team. You can do the most of any player, but the other team might win. Or you can reverse it, and do little but win. And of course you can do a ton and win or stink it up, do little, and lose. But the first two are tricky.

I believe both contriuting greatly and winning are wonderful, of course, but either one is good. Several thigns can be taken into account when measuring an athlete: Winning, Entertainment, Stats just for fantasy, etc.

Sports are for entertainment. World leaders who change the world aren't pro athletes. But since we as humans love goals and competition, it's all about the W.

So we HAVE to love a player who just wins, right? Is Muhammad Ali greater than Butterbean? I mean you can prefer one, but is Ali more prestigious? Absolutely. He did it himself by beating other fighters. If you say he's bad, then since he was so bad, why did so many others lose to him?

Does Luc Longley deserve more adoration than Patrick Ewing? Crapola.

If a tennis player doesn't win in a 5 year period, then wins a lot but doesn't change, why didn't he win before? If he or she was the best by far, it doesn't compute for him or her not to win.

But look at the Magic and Sixers. Have their stars slid as badly as their records? If you added 3-5 points to their totals in each game this year, would they be elite teams? No, it's more than just them.
Is Rodney White a great winner because his team's win total has improved? Uhh, no.

And, of course, movement. Ron Harper didn't win 72 in Cleveland. No one player brought in could do enough to get 60 wins for Charlotte next year. They could in Sacramento, but not Charlotte.
What are you going to do to a tennis player? Stack the draw? If the player is Sampras, Serena, Stefi, and Laver all in one, it doesn't matter. But the second leading scorer's team is the worst of all. They don't outscore their opponents in games even with 27 PPG from 1/12 of the roster.

So what if team sports somehow became individual? It's not hard to see KG winning a 1-on-1 NBA tourney, or A-Rod winning some sort of batting competition after an MVP or non-MVP season with crazy numbers, along with a fielding competition. Gretzky in "Indian" (1 on 1 with goalies) hockey, even after he left the Oilers? If the goalie was anything close to Wayne, that would probably be the ultimate combo.

Football... which RB would a HS team want, Kevin Faulk or Jamal Lewis? Hmm...

So just take winning with some thought. The Pats beat the co-MVPs. But they were good MVPs. They tore up the regular season individually and had team success. Would the Titans have made the playoffs with Billy Volek only? Umm, no. The Pats seemed to have the Titans totally outmanned, but McNair kept it close.

Thurman Thomas never won a Super Bowl, but was he undeserving after his game against the Giants? Lord no.

T-Mac isn't much, much worse than before. And he's still really good. Last year the Magic had this team playing FUNCTIONALLY: Lame centers, Gooden doing really well, Giricek, T-Mac, and Darell Armstrong. They took the 1 seed to the 7th game.

This year... who was their SF for the Knicks game? Donnell Harvey or something? Good lord, he's gone even from a bottom-feeder... Tyronn Lue and Declercq are comparably bad to any other starter. And Declerq's injured. Plus so much more.

But has T-Mac changed? It's not like he's a tennis or golf star in a slump after winning some majors, things have swung for him from meager to abysmal. Put him on Sacramento and suddenly it's no so bad anymore. And neither is he.
 

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What is the point of this rambling? There is a reason one sport is called a "team sport" and the other an "indivudual sport".
 

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I dunno. It was fun for me.

It can just be funny how people can sometimes say so and so on a team more wins is better than a player on a losing team, but in a (re)draft they'd pick the player off a losing team first. Or they should.

Yeah, individual or team.
Sampras > Todd Martin? Sure. More titles works pretty well.
Malik Rose > Malone? Err, probably not.
 
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