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Perhaps thats why JC is named the starter, and Guyton has been tendered an offer.

Harpring then makes sense at the three because Rose would play a lot of '2' presumably with Eddie on the floor and then who comes in at three?

Jay Will wasn't a great basketball player until he had a season under his belt. The staff may be feeling the same for his rookie campaign.

It also gives us a chance to let JC really strut his stuff so we can max out what we get for him.
 

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From posts I've read on "the other board":

... he can guard the quicker guards
... he's the most NBA ready.
... playing at Duke makes him more experienced than JC.

Recently on this board: we have Mason to guard for "Jay" so he doesn't have to wear himself out on "D" and devote himself to "O" and now JC is going to start until "Jay" is ready and the Bull can ship JC out.

Disgusting.

Put him out there and let him show what he has. No turning back now. The time for these concerns was BEFORE the draft.
 

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Every rookie will struggle regardless of how many college years he has under his belt.
The opponents are tougher and the game is at a higher level. For instance instead of trying to keep up w/ Juan Dixon, Jwill will have to keep up w/ AI. Just an example, no disrespect to Dix, I like that kid.
 

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Originally posted by Sicky Dimpkins
From posts I've read on "the other board":

... he can guard the quicker guards
... he's the most NBA ready.
... playing at Duke makes him more experienced than JC.

Recently on this board: we have Mason to guard for "Jay" so he doesn't have to wear himself out on "D" and devote himself to "O" and now JC is going to start until "Jay" is ready and the Bull can ship JC out.

Disgusting.

Put him out there and let him show what he has. No turning back now. The time for these concerns was BEFORE the draft.
I don't know about the rest of us here but I myself cannot argue with your logic. You make very good sense. Its a mans world. No excuses.
 

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Sicky!

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Guys, ease off of the Jay Will wagon for just a second and think in terms of good business sense. I'm sure the Bulls are hoping that Jay Will lives up to and surpasses his billing coming into his rookie season. This, however, does not guarantee that he will. Having second and third options in the event of disappointment (through lack of skills or injury) is ALWAYS a good plan. You guys are suggesting we put all of our eggs in one little rookie basket, bounce with that basket across the country from southern Florida to Seattle on a pogo stick, and then hope we have enough whole eggs left to make an omellette.

I'd love to get a look at your retirement plans! ;-)

Please don't take this as a personal attack, as it's not meant to be. We have fifteen roster spots available (if we count innactive reserve). This is an average of three players/position. Sure we'll have some specialists, but those specialists have to play a position, too. So you use those spots to get players who may compensate for some *RELATIVE* weaknesses in the players you expect to be stars.

Though Jordan was always on the all-defensive team, didn't Harper usually draw the defensive assignment on the perimeter to start games? Did the Bulls feel Jordan wasn't capable? Pippen was multi-year all-star, but Bulls draft Kukoc. Did the Bulls feel Pippen wasn't their best option at small forward? Bulls draft Chandler, and turn right around and bring in Oakley to play in front of him. Did that mean they had already given up on Chandler?

Sure, the Bulls *HOPE* Jay will be an all-star who plays 48 min/game his rookie season. They also *HOPE* ERob will bring 48 minutes of athletic slashing to the hole and tough defense. They *HOPE* Chandler finds a more fluid and prolific offensive game to compliment the awesome energy and defensive presence they drafted him for.

In some cases, you can exchange the word EXPECT for the word HOPE. However, in basketball, as in life, you learn to prepare for the UNEXPECTED. Just smart business sense.

Peace!
 

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Wynn i have always been on jay williams side. I was just agreeing with what dicky said. thats all. I am very happy that we got him. I also know how dicky felt about Jay from the very beinning. He is right though. No excuses now in a big mans world. But i guess i should added on that i feel he will be up to the challenge.
 

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Ummm, Last time I checked JC was the Bulls starting pg. I don't think it's a good idea to just bench him and hand the job to our new draft prospect, no matter how good he is. JWill will have to TAKE the starting pg position from JC and their is no guarntee he will even be able to do that. I know in their one head to head JC absolutely lit JWill up. Still, assuming JWill can beat out JC, he still will need to familiarize himself with playing in the NBA and the triangle offense before he can take a starters role. I expect that JWill and JC will both be splitting time at the point until at least after the all star break.

In any case, entitlement minutes are a BAD idea, no matter who the rookie is.
 

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Wynn: I'm the resident "don't draft "Jay""
poster on this board. I guess it's a combination of disappointment over the Bull drafting him and the gap between the praise before the draft and the posts coming now. The posts aren't necessarily from the same people so the snide comments aren't personal.

I expect every draft pick to struggle.
All I'm saying is let him struggle first and if his play isn't up to the hype take action then.
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I'm glad you're here to calm me down. :)
Most of the other posters are probably sick of me posting this for the ...nth time but maybe you missed it.

I wanted to trade with GS: A swap of this years picks, Arenas and either a swap of Fortson for Fizer or future first round picks(a first round pick that isn't controlled by the Houston obligation) when their pick was better than the Bull pick.
I think Arenas is more than capable to get the ball past half court and into the hands of Rose to start the offense. He had a high game of 32 points this year and a high assist game of 10. A taller quicker cheaper guard to backup JC and provide superior defense to "Jay"(IMO) and dribble penetration(the 2 knocks on JC).
JC would stay the starting 1 unless he proved inferior. Best could've been signed and kept for awhile to see if the young 1's were up to the task and then traded if they were. No positional changes like their seems to be coming now.

The swap of F's would address the lack of rebounding and give a vet presence to give/take the hard fouls for and rotate with TC & EC. Dunleavy would probably be the pick if this were done or trade down further if Butler were deemed capable to play the 2.

If there was no swap of F's but Fizer were moved for someone other than a 4 then Gooden made sense to me. IMO Gooden was the best college player last year and I wanted him to play backup 4 and some backup 3. The kind of player(similar but not the same) that NC is offering Fizer, ERob and JC for.

A nice tight package deal IMO in that GS had the motivation to deal and neither team is left with positional holes: 1 for 1 and 4 for 4.

Now the Bull have "Jay" and are trying to find vet rebounders and defense oriented 3's and teams willing to deal them. I wish them well. :)
 

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Sicky!

I agree 100% with your pre-draft strategy. Though I have not posted nearly as often since the end of the season, I've read much of what's been going on. If you look at some of the pre-draft threads at RealGM and elsewhere you'll find me arguing that we needed to address areas other than an undersized PG. I also felt like in gaining Jay we lost Best. Is the difference score there better than taking a Gooden, Dunleavy, or Butler? Seeing Bibby and Kidd do well in the play-offs made me feel a little better about a Jay Will acquisition, but.....

....now that we have him, isn't it just good sense to hedge our bets in case the wheels come off? Just seems like you're venting a little against a rookie who will try to do his best for the team, and a team who will try to set up shop for a lot of wins in the coming years!

Again, no disrespect. I read your last ("don't draft "Jay"")message and (if I were a better linguist) see that I could have posted it. Now that we've got him, though, let's get those vets to do what you and I were hoping to find in the draft.
 

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Originally posted by ace20004u I know in their one head to head JC absolutely lit JWill up.

In any case, entitlement minutes are a BAD idea, no matter who the rookie is.
Entitlement minutes :no: but it's still necessary to get the rookies in to see what they can/can't do.

Duke vs Michigan
 

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yeah, maybe it is just venting for the nth time, Sicky...

but who cares. I for one still find some interest in hearing your rants. even if it is the same rant as last week.

is Jay Williams going to struggle his first year? probably. a few people have mentioned that Yao Ming is going to be a marked man - that any one and everyone in the league is going to try dunking on him, and in general intimidating the hell out of Yao.

i think Jay is going to get a similar kind of treatment his first year. I suspect that guys like Iverson, Marbury, Francis, Baron and Payton are going to make a POINT of blowing past Jay every chance they get... they're also going to try and bump and shove Jay every time he gets the ball in his hands... in short -- equal amount of attempts at intimidation as Yao will see

i'm pretty confident Jay will respond to this in a positive way, but who really knows what's going to happen when Jay starts taking his first NBA knocks
 

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Some people may question his playing ability but there is one thing that you cannot question, at least right now and that is his heart! His desire to get started and get started early. Below is a paragraph out of KC Johnsons latest article to show you what i mean.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/cs-020704bulls.story?coll=cs-bulls-headlines


Not tonight: Jay Williams has time for Krause, not Jay Leno.

The Bulls' first-round pick has turned down an invitation to appear on "The Tonight Show" on Wednesday so he can come to Chicago and join voluntary workouts at the Berto Center in preparation for a mini-camp that begins July 15. He

also turned down an invitation to ESPN's "ESPY" awards show on the same night in Los Angeles.

"He wants to get to work," Krause said.

Williams is slated to arrive in Chicago on Sunday.
 

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I agree. I like that alot. :)

Does this mean that he's really close to being signed? Since he's a rookie it should be only a formality but if I were an agent I think I'd insist he be signed before he begins to labor for the Bull.
 

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well according to espn radio 670AM, jamal has been torching jwil at practice, what does that mean exactly? i dont know
 
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Originally posted by JOHNNY_BRAVisimO
well according to espn radio 670AM, jamal has been torching jwil at practice, what does that mean exactly? i dont know
What exactly did they say ?
 
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